Other This will make you angry (Alan Titchmarsh Show on videogames)

These shows and similar news reports are what are known as gatekeeper issues. They are careful ploys to divert attention from other matters often with a motive.

For example, the Helicopter situation in Afghanistan is a good one. The real issue was not Helicopters but WTF are we doing there in the first place.

Same with this kind of media take on gaming, two issues spring to mind, firstly, what are parents doing letting children play these games in the first place, thats the REAL issue and not games, any more than letting them watch a hardcore Porno film or drink Gin.

The other issue is the Film Industry are 'losing' money to the game industry for various reasons and are well behind the banning of 'Violent' games that have nothing to do with films (for example a film based game would be 'Kung Fu Panda' or 'Avatar'). Its in their interested for games to be banned too.

Another example of a gatekeeper issue would be the smoking ban in the UK in pubs. Was this anything to do with improving the nations health ? No it wasn't, it was simply to boost the profits of firms like Tesco, where previously people would go to the pub, drink and smoke, they can't now (not everyone wants to stand outside, but they are trying to ban that too now). do they go to Tesco or wherever and buy booze there and drink and smoke at home.

A friend of mine, a social worker commented that there is now a much increased risk of passive smoking to children, as more chav parents sit at home smoking instead of going to the pub, because they can't.

Increases in profits announced by supermarkets (during recession) are down to one thing...increased alcohol and associated sales due to people drinking at home more because they can't smoke at the pub.

Wouldn't be surprised if most of the figures involved in trying to ban violent video games are taking bungs off film companies and associated.

 

Stewb goes to kick a wall out of anger

Wait... that's counterproductive right?

 

Same old same old except that the gaming industry is the new culprit.

Music got it in the neck back in 1999/2000 especially Marilyn Manson with the whole Columbine killings.

I am sure literature, art and film have gone through the same thing.

 

Oh go on then cybergenics, I'll bite. I shouldn't but I will anyway.

Actually no I won't.

BTW the problem with the veracity of most conspiracy theorists is that they are still alive, and haven't been found washed up on a beach somewhere, ala Chip Tatum.

 

That women was annoying, i don't want to live in her big soft fluffy world where mary poppins is playing on the tv 24/7.

The problem is games are perceived as being for children, adult games made by adults for adults end of story.

I still think graphics are very crude, as graphics become more photo realistic their will of course be more of these debates.

 

She should really know all about adult games as she poses as a "sexpert" on daytime TV quite a lot...

 

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view...n-and-Hewitt-suspended-over-Lobbygate-scandal

Conspiracy theories are things like, man never actually went to the moon. 9/11 was an inside job, etc etc,

MP's being lobbied to change laws to benefit firms, and countries being invaded to protect oil and oil pipelines are just facts.

If I was quoting David Icke or that goofball Alex Jones then labelling me a conspiracy theorist and mentioning Chip Tatum would be fine, if I was actually mentioning something that was a conspiracy theory and not something that even the government have now been forced to admit occurs, (see link).

Tesco are the biggest employer in the UK, and if you want to believe that some MP or other isn't getting cash/perks off them to bring in laws to boost their profits....then you are entitled to, but it happens.

The whole working tax credits thing was brought in simply to allow firms like Tesco to continue to pay wages that the gov would top up, thus boosting their profits even more. This was also in the news, but never really made particularly public.

Nothing to do with 'Conspiracy Theories'.

 

I think Raskolnikov brutally murdering a woman with an axe because he didn't think she was worthy of life and then brutally murdering her sister without question is more violent and deranged than any videogame I've ever played.

As for the actual show, I found it funny how the woman "quoted" an "American study" and it was treated like gospel, but that poor man quotes a real study, giving the date and researchers, and it's completely shut down.

Also, I can't confirm this myself, but a friend told me one of the first films she was in was a B-rated slasher horror.

 

Thank goodness I don't watch ITV. It's one channel that has absolutely nothing going for it. Apart from Marlon in Emmerdale - he can be quite funny.

 

Nope. The NHS is the biggest employer in the UK - and something like the third largest employer in the world.

As far as supermarkets making vast profits from alcohol sales, wrong again, I'm afraid. Supermarkets sell alcohol as a loss-leader to entice people into their stores on the assumption that they'll pick up other stuff while they're there. They make nothing - or less - in profit on cheap alcohol sales.

It was in the news? Really? It must have passed me by. Care to point me in the direction of a reputable news article?

When you throw around baseless accusations with no basis in fact, and without evidence to backup your accusations, that's a conspiracy theory.


But,,,this isn't a conspiracy theory thread, it's a thread about the uselessness of ITV, Alan Tichmarsh, Julie Peasgood and Kelvin Mackenzie.

ITV started going downhill when Benny left Crossroads
Since the F1 moved back to the Beeb, I haven't watched a single thing on ITV.

 

This^

I stopped watching after 2:30 because I would just get angry at other peoples vast ignorance on the subject. And the lurking feeling that it's people like that, that will affect what games are released in the future.

 

God, what is the matter with you people ? Largest Private Sector Employer I meant to say.

http://www.tesco.com/talkingtesco/listening/?page=article3

Seems nobody can make a post based on opinion without someone like you coming along and launching an ad hominem attack in a pompous manner.

I didn't say the reason Tesco et al's profits had gone up was because of alcohol sales, I said their sales had gone up. You decided to make out that is what I was saying.

What I said was "increased alcohol and associated sales" which meant what you said, buying other stuff at the same time.

You have turned my opinion into some fiasco if if I was personally targetting people in this post, like you have to me.

 

Games are rated. If you gave you child for christmas or Birthday or whatever, an adult rated game, you should be dealt with the same as you would be for buying cigarettes and booze for minors/underage.

I dont think anyone outside of the gaming community ever see's this perspective. Its pure ignorance, as people have said. Alot of people have said "Well I didnt know it was this violent" after complaining on shows like this. I can guarantee that atleast a few of the people in that audience have bought a son or grandson a game with an age rating over their perticular age.

 

It was quite clearly not an ad hominem. Not once did he refer to you, instead, he took each of your claims and countered them in a logical manner. Furthermore, you wrote your opinion and tried to make it appear as fact, and that is what is being objected to.

 

I think you will find, that it was in fact Ad Hominem, more specifically Ad Hominem 'Tu quoque'.

I wrote my opinion and tried to make it look like opinion, which caused outrage. Once upon a time, when one wrote something like I did on the net, they had to liberally douse it with smileys/and or IMHO in brackets to stop people like you and your friend launching attacks on things you disagreed with.

Plus I will re-iterate my original point which seems to have been lost in the fact, I expressed an opinion that went down badly with the pack.

If someone is trying to do away with games it just falls under the removal of liberties and conflict of interest genre.

Also I don't normally argue with Pseudo intellectual 19 year olds, as I'm like 40.

 

Jeez, there's no need to be so defensive. It's obviously just a difference of opinion, hardly an "outrage" (though IMO suggesting the smoking ban was a plot contrived to boost the profits of the nation's supermarkets is a little far fetched, especially without any facts to support that notion. IMO, of course).

Welcome to the Internet, apparently this is your first visit.

 

Julie Peasgood must die. Alan Titchmarsh can get off with a mild course of kitchen utensil insertion.

 

Idiocy of the highest order.

 

Throughout that entire clip, I only wanted to punch her 6 times..

Video games make you violent.. bah!

 

Ah, well, there you go. But I'm not like 40, I am 40

But that's by the wayside. I don't agree with what you say; you don't agree with what I say. Let's just leave it at that and walk away from an impending flame war.