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Storage SSD Prices Rising

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by quickstream, 30 Jun 2010.

  1. quickstream

    quickstream Custom n00b

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    i feel it is a big deal if this is an immerging technology they are going about it the wrong way espeshally as the echonomy is in a state of low public spending, yes its a bonus item you dont really need but its trying to get more and more into laptops which such high prices if effects them and as their are many cheaper onces they dont get boughts.

    im going off the ball a lot here its true only tekkies will buy them but it would make more sense to lower the profit margin to appeal to more people giving you a bigger market and overall more profit aswell as recurring customers if they need to rebuy after say 5years. right?
     
  2. rollo

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    SSD prices won't drop till NAND prices drop which is expected to be q1 2011, but you don't need an SSD and most people would be better on a new graphics card or upgrade to there CPU
     
  3. adidan

    adidan Guesswork is still work

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    You don't need one but they iz nice. :D
     
  4. quickstream

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    i can prolly think of a reason why i would need one, such as checking teh internets before i go to work having a computer that loads fast is good
     
  5. adidan

    adidan Guesswork is still work

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    TBH it's saved my sanity just loading games screens/levels quicker. Especially DAO, people report that taking ages, just tales seconds for me.

    Mind you I did need a new HDD so if you take out the cost of a HDD, plus the discount at the time and quidco it cost me less than £1/GB.

    If I hadn't of needed new storage anyways I'm not sure I would have gone for one.
     
  6. qqqqqqqq

    qqqqqqqq What's a Dremel?

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    You are half right. To be sure, lowering the price of a good does sometimes increase total profit, but not always. If I remember correctly, this only happens when the good in question is price elastic. There is a good chance that SSDs are price elastic though.

    Also:
    Communism and socialism are bad on paper from an economic point of view. They stagnate innovation by eliminating competition. There is no point to making better products if the government tells one company to build SSDs and sets the price for them.

    Prices fluctuate regardless of greed. You cannot assume that prices are going up because of greed.

    Besides, the only reason SSDs exist for you to buy is a result of greed. Companies don't develop new technologies for the hell of it; they do it to make more money.
     
  7. quickstream

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    correct me if im wrong but isnt the people working to better them self more then enough goal. on paper given you dont factor in that the people whom have the most power are not corrupt it can work but given the amount of power it tends to go wrong even though its suppose to be class-less ie not upper or lower classes etc.

    blah blah blah it does have faults, but on paper it should work. saying it stanates the market is under the assumtion the government is corrupt and too controling the idea of the people making the decisions likly though referendums is a good thing. im kind of jumping points without discussing them as its not really what this topic is about non the less on paper it works, in practice it dont for the reason you said it stagnate the market the goverment has too much control. some of what i said isnt accurate and open to be bombarded but here is something i quickly found from the wiki

     
  8. qqqqqqqq

    qqqqqqqq What's a Dremel?

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    Perhaps I am thinking too much about why Communism in practice failed everywhere, while you are talking about the true ideals of Communism.

    Either way though, SSD prices have been dropping as a whole, and will continue to do so as long as market forces drive it down.
     
  9. Bakes

    Bakes What's a Dremel?

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    It's simple supply/demand. As more people decide they want to buy SSDs, manufacturers realise that they can still sell lots if they put their prices up. Their profit margins go up, and they still sell the SSDs in large quantities. The consumer (ie you) is prepared to pay X price for SSDs, so you pay it and they

    Which is why the GDP (per person) in South Korea is sixteen times higher than the GDP in the North. Honestly, you can argue all you want about how North Korea has good aspects, but when you compare it to a like-for-like state, it just shows how crap the system really is.

    Yes, and in the case of diamonds, that's a really good thing. Cheapening diamonds would annoy a lot of people - they're very much a luxury and most people would want to keep it that way.

    Not entirely sure you've got the point there.

    Carbon Fibre, per kg costs about £15-40. This is clearly not a lot, it's in fact cheaper than most metals. Unfortunately for the car and aerospace industry, you can't just take a kilogram of carbon fibres and fashion them into a wing or cup holder.

    The process of turning single carbon fibres into complicated components is extremely complicated, and the strength of the components relies on extremely highly skilled craftsmen producing the component.

    It's exactly the same with silicon. Silicon itself is very abundant. The problem is that taking a load of silicon and fashioning it into wafers is a very energy and cost intensive process - it's why processors don't cost £1. In many of the cheaper processors, if (say) Intel was only making the cheapest processors and not selling any for higher prices it would be losing money.

    High end hardware is better ;)

    As said above, noone would have any good reason to increase the production of diamonds. For most people, the allure is in the price.


    It increases it when the product is a luxury that would benefit from market share. Example - Microsoft.

    Depends. If you see the point of business as to just making a big profit, then yes, that will be the case. However, studies have shown that beyond a certain point, people will innovate and improve products even if they are not offered a massive financial reward. I found a great video to explain this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc&feature=player_embedded

    If you have enough people, who are sufficiently motivated, through either incentives or punishments, you will get improvement and innovation regardless.
     
  10. Bloody_Pete

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    WAY too many quotes in that last post :p And SSD's will drop in price, remember when the first 1TB drives came out, they were really expensive and now you can get an F3 for less than £50!! SSD's will reach that point, Sandforce will help as it'll allow the use of cheaper NAND without lowering the drives MTBF.
     
  11. Fingers66

    Fingers66 Kiwi in London

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    You been at the coffee machine all day again Bakes?

    Either that or your local charlie dealer is VERY pleased to see you. :D




    (just kidding)
     
  12. Bloody_Pete

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    Or someones been abusing the special offer on Red Bull at tesco's...
     
  13. Bakes

    Bakes What's a Dremel?

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    Assassin's Creed 2 is my Red Bull :D
     
  14. quickstream

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    24 cans of tesco KX for £5 thats 20.8p a can bargin id say keep you going for a good few days. also consider 1 can is worth 44p and the 6 packs are £2 so thats 33.3p a can.

    btw i work for tesco on the checkouts...you wont believe how much overtime i have to do to get the hardware i want. gota go bed now cus i got more overtime in the morning -_- thats why im so angry the prices are going up when in all rights should be either staying level or going down
     
  15. Bakes

    Bakes What's a Dremel?

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    Again, the price is set entirely by what people are prepared to pay for it - it's why Apple charge $500 for the iPad, not because it costs that much (50% of the price (roughly) is pure profit), it's because lots of people are prepared to pay $500 for it.
     
  16. Bloody_Pete

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    basically, Idiot Tax...
     
  17. Bakes

    Bakes What's a Dremel?

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    If you put it that way, yes. However, you wouldn't be able to press lower prices even if everyone was ultra-intelligent, because the price of the device is dictated by so many different factors.
     
  18. Bloody_Pete

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    But then people wouldn't buy the silly expensive one, like the ipad, and the companies that produce them would be forced to lower the price. I know its not as simple as that, but it damn well should be!!
     
  19. robots

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    The minor shifts in price that you see on websites like Scan, are usually due to fluctuations in the exchange rate. If the value of the pound drops a bit, you'll see the price of some stuff go up by a few quid.

    But you won't usually see these things gradually drop in value anyway. CPU's and graphics cards etc, they don't really budge, and they don't get cheaper in time gradually. What happens is that there is a global price shift, usually due to something new coming along, and the prices will shift by a big amount. Intel will knock 25% or something off an entire range of chips for example. If you want to buy something at the right time, watch for new releases, and price shifts of existing products, and then buy. When the new range of SSD's release in the coming months, you'll be able to find the current disks at a proper reduced price. Until then, I doubt you'll see a fluctuation of more than about a tenner.
     
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  20. DarrenH

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    This always happens with new tech when prices are soon to fall. Companies want to get as much profit as they can before the prices drop next year so they put them up. Just hold out for 12 months and you'll reap the rewards.

    I'm building a new system at the minute within a budget that does not include SSD. I have moved that item to my upgrade plans for the next two years to keep the system optimal. I will firstly get more RAM, then add another GPU for crossfire, then a Blu-Ray drive when prices for licensing software are lower and then finally a SSD to load the O/S & Apps quicker.
     

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