Networks Networking Newbie looking for help

ok Heres my deal i only have dial up and i dont really care about sharing the connection for web browsing(but is a plus) , mainly i just want access to files and my printer

Pc1 is
running winxp home
asus a7n8x deluxe mobo with onboard nic
has internet connection via dialup
and files and printer i want to share

pc2 is
running winxp home
shuttle AV 30 mobo with onboard nic

linksys 5 port workgroup hub
2 cat5 cables

now each system is showing the lan connected
and when i use ipconfig/all on computer 1 i get this
Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : computer-1
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

PPP adapter {033BC4FC-230A-47A8-A421-5F8958C089F3}:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 172.158.228.120
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 172.158.228.120
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 205.188.146.146

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN Network Driver
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-03-8A-00-00-11
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 169.254.101.152
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

when i do the same thing on computer 2 i get

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . :Via PCI 10/100 Fast Ethernet
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-30-1B-04-02-A7
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 169.254.243.211
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
{Edit: i had some things miswrote so i changed them }

now when i ping from computer 1 to computer 2 i get

Pinging 169.254.123.22 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 169.254.123.22:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),

then when i ping from computer 2 to computer 1 i get

Pinging 169.254.101.152 with 32 bytes of data:

Request Host Unreachable
Request Host Unreachable
Request Host Unreachable
Request Host Unreachable

Ping statistics for 169.254.123.22:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),

So Could somebody help me out and tell me what i'm doing wrong

thanks

 

I'm no network wizard but try disabling WinXPs built-in firewall on both machines. It might be preventing a ping from returning.

You need to have the right sort of Cat5 cables. With a hub you can't use crossover cables. If you have crossover cables, disconnect the hub and connect one pc directly to the other.

If everything is picking up IP addresses automatically, it can matter what order you power up. Switch on the hub first, then PC1 (with modem) then PC2.

To share files & printer you will need to have both machines on the same domain. This shouldn't effect your ping though, so fix that first.

M$ have quite a good step by step guide here. Another good guide here.

Max

 

The Windows XP firewall won't prevent ping replies. However, it can prevent file and printer sharing from working correctly.

The fact that your IP addresses are on a 169.254.***.*** range (private IP address) means that they aren't communicating with a DHCP server. The second NIC in your internet PC should have a static IP of 192.168.0.1 and a Class C subnet mask (255.255.255.0) while the second PC should be DHCP all the way (auto-detect).

Usually on Windows XP, manually setting up the connections doesn't work and you have to run through the connection wizard first then set it up as you like it.

As for file sharing, either use an existing user to access network shares or create one for filesharing (on both PCs) and make sure they are both a member of the same workgroup.

Let me know if you have any problems, I'd be happy to help some more.

[edit] I just noticed that you are using Windows XP home. Some features are cut out from the home edition, so try running through the wizard on both PCs and then try the steps above.

Also, don't set up a domain. You need to use a workgroup since you don't have a domain controller.

 

thank you for your replies

yeah i have the right cables but thanks

ok if i'm reading this right i need the first pc to show like this in ipconfig/all

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : computer-1
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

PPP adapter {033BC4FC-230A-47A8-A421-5F8958C089F3}:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 172.158.228.120
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 172.158.228.120
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 205.188.146.146

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN Network Driver
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-03-8A-00-00-11
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 192.168.0.1
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

and on the 2nd pc

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Via Pci 10/100 Fast Ethernet Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-03-1B-04-02-A7
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 199.254.243.211
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

thanks for the help

 

The IP of the second PC should really be 192.168.0.*** assigned by DHCP. Do you have an alternative IP configured? If so, there may be a problem communicating with the first PC.

 

no i've always let windows auto config the ip

could i change it to 192.168.0.2

 

Set it to auto and make sure there is no alternative configuration. Run the ipconfig command with the /release switch and then the /renew switch. Then ping the first pc.

 

ok doing that it said host unreachable

well just to check
do i have the computers hardware setup right

computer 1 connected to the hub in slot 1
computer 2 connected to the hub in slot 2

 

What was the IP that the second PC was assigned after renewing?

Try removing the cable from port 1 and putting it in port 3. Sometimes the first or last port is shared with an uplink port and there may be a hardware fault there. Is the hub definately working (ie. tested before). Even a faulty switch or hub can display activity but won't transmit data.

 

sometimes hubs are funny that way i'm not real into networking yet, but is there a way to get ahold of a router to try instead of a hub? Hub are not the startest thing in the world to set up networks the give me problem off and on when i was going over friends house and trying to setup the network. All problem were solved when he got his switch *then later he got a router for his high speed internet but that another story*. One small not unlike routers and switch ALOMST all hubs well not setup a ip address so auto setup ip config sometimes doesn't work, atleast that what i think i read.

 

When networking two PCs, it makes no difference if you use a hub or a switch. A hub is "dumb" and broadcasts data to all ports, whereas a switch is intelligent and only broadcasts to the port the data packet is intended for. Switches manage network traffic more efficiently, but with only two PCs it makes no difference.

A router isn't really needed unless you want to have a hardware solution to internet connection sharing. If the PC that is connected to the internet has high CPU usage, the data being transmitted to the other PC(s) is often delayed.

 

ip assigned to the 2nd machine is
169.254.243.211


i tried swithing the machines around in differnt ports
every port i tried said host unreachable

now i noticed that when the comp2 was pinging to comp1 the hub would light up so its trying to find comp1

so i would think theres something wrong on comp1

 

The 169.254.***.*** is a Windows assigned private IP given to the machine when it can't see the DHCP server.

Assign a static IP to the second PC (192.168.0.2) and see if you can ping the other PC and vice versa.

 

ok i got them working thanks for all your help

it ended up being i was assigning the wrong nic port to the lan

again thank you for all the help (ouija)

 

Hehe

No problem