Hilliary vs. Trump: The 2016 US Presidental Election

I think the point is there was already a country, already a native people.
I would love to have been a native America back thousands of years ago, roaming the country for food and returning back to the settlement bringing home the needful. Such a wonderful people, respectful of earth nature and heaven.

 

They were invaders who brought a genocide the likes the world has never seen since. 195 million dead is the going estimate. Hitler was a rank amateur compared to the English "settlers."

Maintain my ass. It's about white power retaining a status quo, and that's not cool. Nexxo had the right of it-it was ours first, and you thought you had to go and take it, and now you'll do nasty things to other races to maintain it. (The you is a collective for the people in power, and not you specifically.)

Do I need to post how this land was taken? Do I need to educate some people on the horrors that were enacted just so white people could have another country? The US shouldn't even be a thing, but here it is, and it's all that I have. Pardon me if I remember my people's plight when something really offensive gets posted. And that, I tell you truly, was offensive.

 

The settlers didn't 'create' a country; it was already there. The native Americans had already named it and populated it with their people, their gods, their culture, myths and legends. America was a country long before Columbus stumbled upon it, long before the Vikings made landfall. It was already ancient.

The white settlers didn't 'create' it, they conquered it.

It may be a bit late to boot out all the descendants of these settlers, but it behoves them to remember where they came from (often refugees themselves), and how they entered uninvited, illegally and took the country by violence, force and genocide. And thus to show a bit more humility and understanding of other immigrants and refugees.

 

Thank you. We don't always see eye to eye but there WAS a confederation of nations back then, they just didn't work the way that the Europeans wanted it to. Different does not mean savage.

 

respect to all the native Americas that have in past return with their ancestors in a life filled with balance of nature.

 

Meanwhile the BBC shows the American press how it's done.

 

Respect in turn to those who wish us peace.

The Seminole don't want anything but respect, that and the recognition of their sovereign rights. All Seminole are different by the fact that we weren't defeated in the Seminole Wars-we signed our treaty from a place of equal power. Even Jackson could not bend our knees. Trump will get no more from us.

I am literally half Seminole on my father's side, with an admixture of Mvskoke on my mother's side. I trace my lineage back to Florida itself, to around Hollywood. I am not a member whose family signed the Dawes rolls because we were hiding from the whites at that point, so even thought I grew up as a native, I can't claim native monies or insurance because white people. Seriously. That's a thing.

(BTW, yes, Mvskoke is how we spell it, and it's pronounced "Muscogee.")

 

I'm just waiting for Trump or one of his lackeys to tell the pipeline protesters to 'go back where they came from' or some such...

 

We're already there. You go back to the orange grove, Trump.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-campaign-to-leave-the-united-states-after-t/

 

Yes, good luck with America passing an amendment to let the 6th largest economy in the world just up and leave. About the same chance as London leaving the UK.

 

wasn't that said about brexit as well.....

 

It's kind of the logical outcome of isolationism. If you advocate that being sovereign is better than being together in a union, well... you may find that there are people within your own union who feel the same.

 

The UK has a very straight forward path to leaving the EU. Trigger article 50 and its done, at the most two years later. Nothing like that exists in the US. Apparently an amendment would be required and I don't see the rest of the country allowing such an amendment to happen.

 

the yescalifornia website seems to think its actually easier than that

 

And now let's add possible civil war to our list of outcomes.

 

That was always a possibility, such was the level of 'us vs. them' sentiment whipped up [by both sides if we're honest] during the campaigns.

 

That's a familiar narrative in Brexit too: "It's easy, actually. No really. All those people who say it's not are just being negative".

How did the irresistible force paradox go again?

 

Technically it is easy - trigger article 50 - then leave and voila.