Hilliary vs. Trump: The 2016 US Presidental Election

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  1. rainbowbridge

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    No mention of Jews in White House's Holocaust Remembrance Day tribute


    It is with a heavy heart and somber mind that we remember and honor the victims, survivors, heroes of the Holocaust. It is impossible to fully fathom the depravity and horror inflicted on innocent people by Nazi terror.
    Yet, we know that in the darkest hours of humanity, light shines the brightest.‎ As we remember those who died, we are deeply grateful to those who risked their lives to save the innocent.
    In the name of the perished, I pledge to do everything in my power throughout my Presidency, and my life, to ensure that the forces of evil never again defeat the powers of good. Together, we will make love and tolerance prevalent throughout the world.



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    trumps plains are greater than any one is knowing imo. for a man so quick to think, act and produce deliverables, 4 years will be more like 10, and if he gets 8 its going to be like 16 years of change under one administration.

    no?


    If he delivers on the good points he has raised up as needing fixing, he is going to have a huge amount of brownie points to get away with near anything. That is to say, trump can do any thing as long as he continues to drive in the direction that got him to the ovel office and courts the US population with his natural off the cuff ability to communicate as a pissed off American.

    pretty unbelievable period to go through as an adult, lot of younger generation wont understand what is the issue is.

    guy is working with conviction and passion, hopefully his head wont exploded whilst walking / driving down elm street Dealey Plaza type situation.

    good will come of the trump administration, sign of maturity is to go ahead and highlight the ills / bads, but also be brave enough to comment on the good things he is aiming to do.
     
  2. walle

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    It's estimated that ~70% of the Native Americans died as a result of diseases brought by the white man. I don't know if that qualifies as a genocide, at least not in intent. But I guess that if it does the Asians must be guilty of trying to genocide the white race sending plague infested rats. Estimated to have killed around 30-60% of the population at the time.

    There were no country or countries on the American continent anymore there were any country or countries in the native lands of the white race at one point in time, had any other race arrived to settle Europe at that time it would have looked very much the same to them as it did to the English when they arrived to settle the American continent.

    Namely.
    Many different nations spread across a continent with their own languages and cultures busy warring and killing each other, something that had been in full swing long before the white man arrived, and yes, this is what any race would have seen had it arrived to settle Europe way back when too.

    Speaking of counties: One of the youngest countries in Europe is Germany. Not the nation itself the German nation predates the Roman Empire but the country itself is young, it's actually younger than the United States.
     
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    Kosovo - 2008
    Montenegro and Serbia - 2006
    The Czech Republic and Slovakia - 1993
    Croatia - 1991

    new European countries
     
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    Indeed, it is internal politics that is slowing the process down, not the process itself.

    Now think what it would be like with no process to leave, plus no external willingness to let you leave, plus internal and external politics and you have californias snow balls chance of leaving.
     
  5. walle

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    Germany. 1871.

    Yes those are young countries. But the nations are not.
     
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    http://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day

    This was the first thing Europeans did off the boat. Don't romanticize it. That land was occupied, they had no right to it. Just because we had our own customs and way of life that was different didn't mean it was any less than the European way of life.
     
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    The Asians didn't send plague-infested rats; plague infested rats have a way of making their own way around. And the response was to try and exterminate them. Perhaps that should have been the native American policy with respect the first white settlers.

    Of course there were countries. Every territory that a tribe laid claim to was their country. Then every territory that a ruler laid claim to was. Etc. Point being: America was already the country of someone else when the white settlers got there, and it behoves modern Americans to remember where they came from and how they got to be there.
     
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    Yeah, like the only thing that slows down heart surgery is cutting through the breast bone. :p
     
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    Bad analogy is bad.
     
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    1871.

    Long before 1990.


    1990 was the unification of western and eastern Germany after the cold war had ended and without their native lands further east. Land they lost after ~14 million of them had been ethnically cleansed (not genocided) by the Poles and the Russians, all of which took place after the war. One of the conditions for the unification 1990 was that the Germans had to promise not to lay claim on the land they'd 'lost'. It was actually a bit of an outcry in Germany at the time.


    They managed to drive the vikings out that way but in case of the English they failed. Had these nations not been divided and had they not kept warring among themselves they might have succeeded in driving the English out. Maybe.


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    No they didn't and my point was that the white man didn't bring diseases with him with the intent of killing ~70% of the Native American population.
     
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    Yeah, well a lot of us older fogeys with a good understanding of history are seeing exactly what is happening.

    Frankly his greatest adversary is himself. He is an old man looking for a legacy before he dies. He could have been a great president, capable of doing great things, but he is painfully insecure and narcissistic and too preoccupied with his own little universe at which he is the centre. Hence he has no vision, no wisdom, no compassion nor humility.

    He will either be a disappointment or an utter disaster. I'm hoping we get away with just the former.
     
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    Have you ever read a surgical report? I have --it's surprisingly bland: a factual description of the steps undertaken, often no longer than a page of A4.

    Of course the surgery itself was way, way more complex than that, involving the knowledge, expertise and skills of a dozen people coming together in a highly coordinated fashion to apply the culmination of a century of surgical science in a custom-built sterile environment, using a vast array of complex tools and medicines, and dynamically responding to a vast amount of information, scans, vital stats and readings. The actual account of a surgery makes for a medical file of an inch thickness. Add another inch for rehabilitation.

    Now think of Article 50 as the page of A4. Think of Brexit itself as the process that generates a file an inch thick.
     
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    Trump says US will prioritize Christian refugees.
     
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    As a devout Episcopalian, that makes me sick. I don't have to be Muslim to think they deserve equal treatment under the law.

    Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. Those words are a mantra the U.S. was created by-to restrict entry to one religion is to cheapen it.

    I would type more, but I'm waiting on a ton of codeine to take effect.
     
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    Maybe this will work:

    Surgery != International Politics

    Britain leaving will put a dent in the EU. But the EU has negotiated treaties and trade deals before, both internally and externally. The EU has the people and the experience required to negotiate with Britain on their post brexit terms. Although leaving is unprecedented, the sort of work involved is bread and butter type work for the EU. There is a fixed term on withdrawing from the EU so the process cannot be dragged out forever. Even if both sides do nothing, the process itself will time out and succeed. Invoking article 50 is straight forward too.

    Californians that wish to secede from the union could only dream of such a process being in place for them.
     
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    You've never worked in the NHS... :p But I digress...

    It's not just about trade deals. It's about roughly 100 shared regulatory agencies as well, such as Euratom, the European Medicines Agency, the European Air Safety Agency and so on, 40+ years of law, access to each other's airspace, agreements and laws on patent rights, data flow etc. People keep staring themselves blinds on the trade aspects of Brexit, but that is just a small part of it.
     
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    Sure and the EU built and negotiated those arrangements, they have the people and experience to shuffle them around as required.
     
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    Well, yes, the EU is going to be just fine. The UK on the other hand...
     

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