E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

She either has to convince the EU to downgrade the rights of EU citizens to UK standards and make EU citizens subject to all future rights downgrades in the UK (the EU is extremely unlikely to agree to that for obvious reasons) or she upgrades the rights of people in the UK to EU standards and guarantees that they won't be downgraded in the future (political suicide for any conservative politician).

So don't expect it to get solved any time soon.

 

And the Leavers are too stupid to realise that she is using EU immigrants as a bargaining chip to reduce UK citizens' rights.

 

FTFY

 

This. This is the only real reason because the terrible campaigning on both sides, to admit the real truth about the EU would require backtracking years and years of propaganda and government failures. The only upside is that it appears the politicians are personally suffering for it.

 

Meanwhile Peter North from the Leave Alliance extols his Brexit vision. Sunny uplands, everyone-- oh, wait...

Not that the Leave Alliance as a whole feels any better about it. Still, Brexit means Brexit...

 

Oh well, on the plus side it seems the German course I've been doing will pay dividends.

 

TLDR version: We're right royally screwed but it ain't our fault as we didn't spot the glowing "incompetent nincompoop" neon signs above our MP's heads.

 

they were blinded by the similar signs above their own heads...

 

Or in pictorial terms:

 

On a serious note someone important at Tory Hq must know this is going to ruin there chance at government for decades. I can’t belive they won’t have a plan to get rid of the current leadership as sacrificial lambs and force a GE.

Even if they then loose that election to labour completely, the damage to there reputation will be far less than being the party that destroyed the UK.

 

The Tories know, deep down, even if this goes tits up, they'll probably be returned to power in the near future... IIRC, the typical lifespan of a post-war govt is 9 years [7.5 years for Labout govts, 10.5 for Tory govts, less if you dismiss Blair and Thatcher as outliers].

 

I think they're still in denial. There are some hard core Brexiteers who actually believe that the UK will be just fine in the WTO because hey, other countries are. A bit like a lion evolved to live on the African plains will surely be alright living in the sea because sharks seem to manage just fine.

The rest still seems to buy into the narrative that negotiations in the EU bureaucracy always seem to reach an impasse and then on the last day, at 3.00am in the morning some sketchy, pragmatic agreement is clinched and crisis averted. But I think that this time that will not happen, and that Brexit will smack head-first into the cold, hard wall of reality.

 

Again more like some PETA types releasing a load of animals shouting FREEEEEDDOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!! The fact they're totally unable to survive in the wild and are all dead a week later, irrelevant, they wanted to free the animals.


If Britain is the caged lion, it'll be the one that ends up eating the bright spark trying to free it...

 

I guess you're assuming people will blame them instead of whomever the Conservatives choose to blame, if you tell a lie often enough people start to believe it.

 

You're almost there with your analogy... Except PETA tends to slaughter the animals they "rescue" and have a track record of abducting and killing household pets (and I don't mean weird exotic pets like the North Vietnamese Howling Pygmy Monkey (that's not a real thing btw...), I mean regular ol' domestic cats and dogs).

 

I was thinking anti-vivisectionist more than PETA to be fair... i used PETA as they're a more recognisable group for most.

 

something and something...

Conservative rebels force No 10 to delay flagship Brexit bill

 

Meanwhile it looks like public enthusiasm for Brexit is cooling slightly.

 

Isn't that what they say EU immigrants are doing to the natives?...