E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

Quite right too.
But a time limited transition period after all the so called negotiating has taken place is a different kettle of fish.

 

Indeed.
I wonder if Mr. Barnier being given the elbow by the 27 will make any difference, I doubt it.

 

Not heard that saying for a while. Thanks, one of the few times i've laughed in this thread

 

Why should the EU solve the UK's ***********? It can "take back control" and sort it out for itself.

He has not been given the elbow, and no, it won't. Rather, the EU's current sentiments are as follows:

EU parliament lays down red line on Brexit talks – meaning no extension past October

This is what "competing on the international stage as an independent country" looks like. The UK better get used to being a medium-sized fish in a big sea now.

I was never aware of it before, but the sense of entitlement in this country is off the ****ing scale. From a Dutch perspective it is just mind blowing.

 

Meanwhile:
Council of Europe issues media freedom alert over UK government blacklisting of investigative journalists.

 

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Our media will probably cry about copyright infringement or something

 

Ain't nobody asking anybody to sort owt out.
Regardless of the relationship come the 1st January, they will need to trade with us and we will need to trade with them.
Heaven forbid either side sits down and thinks that a zero cost transition period that is separate and ran after the 'negotiations' instead of concurrently is a sensible idea.

The EU have flip flopped over the labelling of consumer goods for the past 18 months, and like idjiots we've followed their lead and said the same to them, nothing but bloody minded pig headiness.

They could use their Article 13 against them, if they ever get around to it.

 

It is not at all a sensible idea from the EU's perspective. The UK is either in or out. It chose to be out. This is what "out" means. Sure, it will cause complications for the EU too, but not nearly as many as it would cause to let the UK continue to enjoy the privileges of Single Market membership without any obligations that make them possible in the first place. It is, frankly, gobsmacking that people don't seem to understand the relationship between the two. And the UK is empathically not prepared to continue adhering to the obligations after 1st January 2021.

Not at all. There are rules on labelling for EEA/EU members, rules on labelling for FTA partners, and rules on labelling for the rest. Given that, after 4 years, it is still not clear what the relationship between the UK and EU will be, it is also still not clear which rules it will have to follow.

All this is the consequence of leaving the EU, and in particular leaving the way that the UK did. "Taking back control", y'all.

 

No. we're in a concurrent transition & negotiating phase, which is madness, they should run after each other.

I'm spending half of my time trying to advice both EU & UK industry what labelling and what standards they need to comply with, although it's anything which is CE marked not foodstuffs, and from my perspective both the EU and the UK can take a long walk off a short pier.

Transition periods after the fact are not a unicorn pipe dream, I deal with them at an EU level every working day, be it directive, regulations or standards that are being amended or phased out.

I agree, out is out, we should therefore label anything and everything as if we were a 3rd country, and treat all imports from the EU accordingly, likewise both sides should be adhering to each other standards and regulations as both do for the rest of the world already.

If, although unlikely, a deal is pulled out at the eleventh hour both sides should accept that industry has proceeded in good faith based on the most likely no deal outcome and applied the most onerous labelling requirements, then it will be accepted until such a time (limited) as existing stock can be sold through.

Both sides see making such an announcement as a sign of weakness, so both sides sit around with their thumb up their arse doing no one any favours.

 

How on Earth have you worked with the NHS for more than 2 decades without becoming aware of the British entitlement disease?

I'm in my sixth year and 'I'm XYZ so I should get this benefit/jump the queue/receive a discount,' is a weekly conversation. Nobody is worse than the over 50s, they are obsessed with their vouchers, 'I'm old I should get a voucher, I have this form that says I am entitled to a voucher,'

The things they have rarely entitle them to anything, but my God will they argue the toss over their magic vouchers and they'll scream at me for having the temerity to deny what they are 'owed'. Ultimately I see Brexit as an extension of that attitude, having a privileged position and a favourable financial deal and a contribution opt-out wasn't enough, somehow, nothing would ever be enough.

 

Those are changes within a system of governance, not between systems of governance. There's a difference.

No, the EU rightly feels that any transition that offers access to the Single Market should have Single Market governance. The UK has deliberately closed off any option of such an extension.

I know, right? Sometimes this "unconditional acceptance and positive regard" foundational principle of psychotherapy ******** makes you blind to the obvious.

 

Watched some of that, will watch the rest later.

I do hope the country has a reality check and eats some humble pie.

 

And when I tell a Leaver I'm planning to leave the UK, they're all surprised, like, "Why would you want to do that? What's changed?".

EDIT: BTW now the Torygraph has dropped its paywall for the weekend, check out this batshit crazy article: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/03/magic-key-unlock-path-win-win-post-brexit-deal/

 

From unicorns to magic keys, we renaming the UK Hogwarts?

 

Oh so they are merely proposing to dump literally all the negotiations already done in the sea and starting over from scratch...

Maybe someone should tell them that we've already left and there is a bit of a time crunch going on?

Except the UK vociferously rejected applying NI solutions to the whole UK.

Yes, that'll work... no tariff has ever been met with tit for tat counter tariffs.

Ahh that short memory of the Tory rabble strikes again, it was the UK who decided to ignore services.

Quite impressive to work both a victim and saviour complex into so few words.

Sure, nuke the global economy for your petty Brexshit experiment, also the US has no reason to do what the UK tells it to.