Build Advice Older PC - Upgrade Time

Not to add to the intel vs AMD war but I said it earlier and i'l say it again, people really need to read up on the 6300, for the money its an excellent chip.

The 4670 (none k) costs £164.58 from Scan, the 6300 is £84.76 that is a £79.82 difference. Yes the AMD runs hotter, but don't expect the intel to run too cool either CPU should be running a decent cooler as we all know the stock coolers are crap.

For cheaper gaming machines the 6300 is an excellent chip, and the £79.82 saved could be spent on the GPU, you know..the component that actually matters in gaming machines.





Lists a 6350 ^ but close enough.

 

no one is saying 6300 is a bad chip, just not suitable for this build.

My 7 year old chip doing very very well there! probs the best hardware purchase ever for me.

 

What did you get ? I'm still on a 2500k, i don't usually keep hardware this long.

 

In my sig man! good old i7 920 still steaming along! its the next Q6600 i think haha

 

I think the 920 will last longer than the Q6600 did, fit a new cpu cooler to my mates 920 a few weeks ago as his thermaltrash watercooling leaked everywhere (so lucky to not damage anything) and overclocked it slightly, he still plays BF4 perfectly with it and a 448core 560ti.

 

Yep i got BF4 on all ultra 1200p, @3.2Ghz on the legendary titan fenrir.
got a 4Ghz profile ready when needed but never used it outside of benchmarks really.

Still no signs of it slowing down at all. Well happy.

 

Andy! You are once again treading very close to the line. This is a discussion not some place you can come to vent and talk to people like that.

 

Care to show me any benchies that aren't battlefield 4, seeing as it's optimised for AMD. :-D

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That's what the TDP is for.
It shows the MAX heat output doing high load jobs. Typically gaming.
If you're folding then it's higher but seeing as the AMD is already considerably hotter to start.



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Sorry that's a complete and utter load of bollocks. The 6300 is perfect for this build and any other mid ranged build.

Wipe your lip, there's some scat on it.

Whatever. I think you should step down as a moderator. It's quite funny how each and every time people hurl insults at me you seem to completely ignore them, yet wait for when I've been baited for the response.

Now it seems monkey boy has edited his post to remove the offending material but the fact is you missed it and once again you are issuing me threats.

Look, Margon. Let me put it like this, shall I? I don't really give a ****. That would pretty much sum it up. You do whatever you see fit, and look like a hypocrite whilst you're at it. I don't care, there are plenty of forums out there on the internet.

I'm more than intelligent enough to know when I'm being insulted, called names, trolled and baited. I'm also intelligent enough not to give a ****. That's something I've learned from forums over the years, especially with little insipid C-U Next Tuesdays like Monkey Boy here. I've also learned not to give a **** if I get banned..

So do what you like.

 

Posts like this do you no favors. Just ignore people if they bother you.

 

Hang on. So I'm being told to ignore people, yet, it's perfectly OK for any one to insult me, troll me, post stupid pictures like a twelve year old and so on?

If that's how it is then to be completely honest I no longer wish to be a member here. Because you know? that's complete horse ****.

 

Don't take things to heart. Its the internet.

 

I'm still not seeing the 6300 as an alternative here.
Looking at this :

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/699?vs=837

The I5 annihilates the 6300 in virtually every test.
It's almost twice as fast in Cinebench R10.

And Here

 

What have i called you to deserve all this?

I used a funny, none insulting image to try and brighten the mood in this thread you once again have turned into crap.

 

You're completely missing the point, man. OK look, let me try and put this into perspective for you.

The 4670k costs £180. The 6300 costs £80. That's a £100 difference, and, the price of a top end AMD board.

The 4670k has the best IPC of any Intel CPU and the fastest single threaded performance of any Intel CPU. That means in order to get the most out of it you will want to buy a 290 or something of that ilk.

However, your tests are going to be completely obvious from the start because of the IPC and because of the most important factor - price. They're also performed with both CPUs at stock speeds, so tbh I wouldn't have even wasted my time here.

They are also outdated. Have a quick look over this.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18546142&highlight=cinebench+r15&page=10

And most importantly this -

853.FX8350@5.375Ghz 4modules/8 threads - nikki5974
829.FX8320@5.15Ghz 4modules/8 threads - alex 123 fra
827.Core i7 3770k@4.6Ghz 4cores/8 threads - b 2theenneh
803.FX8320@5.04GHZ 4modules/8 threads - nkata
800.FX8320@5.07Ghz 4modules/8 threads - ALXAndy
795.FX8320@5.0GHZ 4modules/8 threads - GinG
789.FX8320@4.96GHZ 4modules/8 threads - Orch
771.FX8320@4.8Ghz 4modules/8 threads - Pazza
769.FX8320@4.9GHZ 4modules/8 threads - ouzodan
759.FX8320@4.9GHZ 4modules/8 threads - GinG
758.FX8320@4.85Ghz 4modules/8 threads - Th0nt
742.Core i5 4670K@4.8GHZ 4cores/4 threads - pastymuncher
738.FX8320@4.6GHZ 4modules/8 threads - Pazza
731.Core i5 4670k@4.8Ghz 4cores/4 threads - Martini1991
718.FX8320@4.6GHZ 4modules/8 threads - ouzodan
712.Core i7 4770K@3.5GHZ 4cores/8 threads - smilertoo
695.Core i5 3570k@5.0Ghz 4cores/4 threads - RavenXXX2
668.Core i5 2550k@5.0Ghz 4cores/4 threads - Jumper118

And it's clear to see that the FX 8320 for its price more than justifies itself. There is only one 4670k in the mix, and it's clocked to an almost impossible 4.8ghz. You really need the sun to shine out of your arse for clocks like that on Haswell, because the tiny die means you can't solder it so that one has been delidded.

The 6300 will sit just behind, beaten by the 4670k but of course you're forgetting one thing - PRICE.

As I said before in this thread, numerous times now, you are woefully behind the times. We now have Windows 8 which finally works properly with the FX cores and addresses them as it should. We also have a large chunk of games (all of the recent ones) supporting six cores and up. And this and this alone has drastically changed how and where the FX CPUs are positioned in the market.

http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=265008

£109 CPU paired with top end GPU solutions. IE - does a £109 CPU, even on a £59 motherboard with a very conservative overclock of 4.3ghz hold back SLI or a 7990?

Have a read over it. Then tell me just how many of those games I tested are unplayable due to the CPU. The answer would be none, and those are the most intensive and punishing games you can run.

So that brings us back to where we were on page one. FX 6300 = £80. 4670k = £180. Is the 4670k better? of course it is. Even those lacking in intelligence know that. However, is the 6300 good enough? you'll find it's more than a match for a GPU like the ones you've been looking at.

What some people don't realise here is that THE most important thing in any gaming rig is the GPU. So why buy a top end CPU and short change yourself on the GPU?

When the circumstances are right the 8320 will beat the 4670k. Circumstances being - software support being right. R15 is the only Cinebench released yet that works with the FX CPUs and it shows.

You'll see the exact same result from modern benchmarks too. 3dmark Firestrike is another. I've hit 10500 with my CPU, the 4670k manages around 9500 @ 4.8ghz.

I'm sorry to say but you're woefully behind the times here, and you're going to waste a ton of money on something you don't even need.

 

6300 just does not have the longevity nor power to make it an option.
Sure it can play games just fine now, but for how long? With the i5 he wont have to worry about it slowing down for a many many years where with the 6300 he will.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested/5
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6300 is only just keeping up with very old intel chips. If your going to buy a new chip, you dont want to be already lagging behind. The 3 year old i5-2500K is smashing the AMD's in every game tested here.

The only AMD option here in terms of power [9370 is a joke] would be the 8350, but as it runs to hot, its not a viable option like we keep saying. Also both AMD chips have high power consumption. And really still cant keep up with the 3 year old 2500k. Even my 7 year old prehistoric 920 pokes its head up and beats it in some tests! Now thats embarrassing!
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/11/06/amd-fx-8350-review/6

Reason intel cost more is because: They run cooler, they use less power, they are more powerful, they have better support.

Simple As That

We also keep trying to tell you from page one he is looking at the locked version that is cheaper as no overclocking with be taking place.

You keep asking to look at very specific benchmarks on specific operating systems for AMD to look half way good.
OP should be able to use his chip on any OS he likes, on any software he likes without thinking "oh no my AMD chip isnt fully supported for this, i best just not bother"

 

Are you trying to justify your behavior now?

Was this thread titled "Post silly pictures for a laugh".

Come on now monkey boy we all know what you were doing, it doesn't take much to work it out. You were trolling and baiting. Any reasonable request for you to prove your point was completely ignored.

Posting stupid pictures does not help the OP make the correct and informed decision, so don't try worming out of it now. You've done your level best to try winding me up here, mostly with posts such as -

Which was a terribly stupid attempt to twist what I had said. Only manipulative little children do things like that. And then we had more of it.

And then more. And then one liners like this.

So it's clear what your intentions were. If you're going to behave like a monkey then you'll be called one.

I see you've gone back and edited your post removing the name calling. Nice try.

 

No, you've completely missed the point.

I'm not going to be putting a big noisy cooler on there, I won't be over clocking, I won't be buying an unlocked cpu,
I won't be buying a cpu with the ridiculous power requirements that the AMD needs.

It will be running at stock speeds. There will be no over clocking.
There will be no over clocking
There will be no over clocking.

I'm not short of cash so the cost is irrelevant.

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And the non k price is £140

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