E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

And if that fails they can always throw May under the bus and promise that whoever replaces her will be different.

 

The problem is not-Conservatives, aka: not right of center parties are four separate parties. In other words if there was just a single left of center party to vote for instead of four the chance of a left of center government increases.

In other news it looks like those unelected Lords are trying to subvert Brexit again by voting to keep the charter of fundamental rights in UK law, damn those Lords sticking up for human rights.

 

They'll probably do that anyway... May going under the bus is almost certainly as well as shifting the blame rather than instead of.

 

You should read the comments in The Express: "How dare those unelected elitist House of Lords go against the Will of the People™ and try to protect our human rights?!?" Seriously, this electorate deserves everything it's going to get.

 

It's the express, don;t the spend most of their time wanting to rip the human rights act up?

 

I see some of the papers that rant about the 'unelected' 'undemocratic' House of Lords members have pages upon pages devoted to a Royal baby today...

 

I thought it was one of the main reasons people voted to leave the EU, didn't they want a more sovereign parliament? It's starting to seem like a six year old throwing a temper tantrum, first they were railing against "uncontrolled" immigration and now it's the sovereignty of parliament.

 

Surprised the Express had the time to write that as its hand are usually too busy wanking off over Diana.

 

Disappoint. A professional w@nker should be able to type with their feet.

By next year the Brexit argument will be that Brexit is a success, honest, and could be even more of a success except the EU is just being mean and recalcitrant for not giving the UK all the cake. The narrative will be that Brexit is not a horrible mistake or failure, it is just being sabotaged by the EU because it fears the idea that a country can be more successful outside the EU than in.

And because the electorate is still as ignorant about the EU as ever, it will continue to buy into the government narrative that while the UK's red lines are totally rational, the EU's red lines are totally arbitrary and spiteful and not at all fundamental to the rules and conditions that make the EU and Single Market function.

The people who voted most for Brexit will suffer most, and in thus doing will feel most validated in their choice to leave. After all there is, in their empty and meaningless little lives, nothing more noble, purposeful and patriotic than suffering for their idealised nationalist construct called 'King and Country'. Two-minute hate, delivered to you by the tabloid press: Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.

Because people are ****ed like that.

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If only the leavers would realize the irony of their complaints about the House of Lords being unelected...

 

The funny part is the Lords are performing, aruablly their most vital, role in our sovereign parliamentary system by trying to prevent a populist government from doing irreparable damage.

It turns out it wasn't just Americas founding fathers who didn't trust democracy.

EDIT: Looks like the commons are going to debate the abolition of the Lords as a petition has reached 100k, i guess it's rather ironic that people wanted parliament to be more sovereign only to then call for part of it to be binned.

 

The electorate wants an dictator who will ruthlessly do what they tell him to. Of course there is a small flaw with that plan...

 

They want their every whim indulged... For all its flaws the Lords is the sensible parent that says 'I don't care what the other parent [Parliament] promised, you can't have sweets for breakfast...'.

Now they're screaming the political equivalent of 'But muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum!'...

 

To be fair if they worded it a bit more eloquently there would be a point, after all the UK is the only first world nation where only one of two houses of parliament is elected.
But of course even for JRM that would be asking too much as he'd rather just call the House of Lords Cave Dwellers.

 

Probably sore that he doesn't have a seat in the HoL. This is, after all, a man who believes in his birth right to rule.

No wonder that he and Farage seem so alike. Both narcissists; just Mogg already is where Farage aspires to be.

 

Rees Mogg is probably just pissy that he's not a Peer.

Lord Snooty wants to be a Lord.

EDIT: Ninja'd by nexxo...

 

Yup; thinking about it, it's so obvious. I was wondering why he suddenly embraced Farage and increasingly gets up to similar publicity shenanigans. Their Oedipal psychology is almost the same. Except they seek their adulation in different ways. Farage wants to rebel against and destroy perceived authority like his dad; Mogg wants to become part of it like his dad and outcompete him.

 

An elected HoL would probably be more democratic there's no doubting that but i wonder how OK the public would be with electing peers every 15-20 or whatever years on top of GE, we've already seen how fed up people got with being asked to vote three times in as many years.

An elected HoL or second chamber also comes with their own drawbacks, that's not to say one is better or worse than the other as I've not given the HoL or an alternative much thought, however what springs to mind is that they're probably a lot more experienced in the law making process and less likely to be swayed by party politics (how much attention do they give to their whips?) or populist opinions.

In an ideal world I'd like a second chamber that wasn't politicised, who only made their decisions based on experience, reason, and logic but taking the politics out of politics is probably asking to much.

 

And anyway, we've had enough of experts.

 

Experts [allegedly] did the TSB IT Migration and look what happened...