E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

Another three MP's jump ship from Labour. So we have Labour in division and Tories in division. Nexxo, you say people keep voting Tory, which they obviously have as they've won the GE's, but the options aren't exactly bowling us over with unity and solidarity either.

I remember growing up in the 70's and 80's and seeing the riots and protests that blighted the UK during those eras. Those riots and protests were often due to sense of dissatisfaction, disenfranchisement and a real feeling of people not having a real voice. That's something I think many people are really starting to feel again now. I often wonder how much it would take for mass civil unrest to actually become a reality again here in the UK? Our politicians aren't helping, in fact they are causing more problems than they are actually curing. If they carry on the way they are, I think mass civil unrest will happen. I just hope it doesn't!!

Some of our MP's will remember the riots and protests of the 70's and 80's too, so why are they not working to try and unite the country, instead of causing yet more divisions? It would seem they don't seem to think it could become a reality again, or they don't really care. In an ideal world, our MP's would work on delivering strategies that could benefit the country as a whole, instead they are more concerned with the party line, even if they know that party line isn't realistic, is full of holes and would just create further problems down the line.

 

Same, I do not want to see those days again. Nor the constant mention of a bomb or bomb threat.

True. However, the new Group is in no state to register itself as a party and set itself up for standing in a General Election.

The only vote I want to see at the moment is a Referendum on Leave under WTO (as the deal was rejected by Parliament and is what Brexiteers said everybody who voted to leave voted for) or stay in the EU.

 

The Turkey plant has had no closing date mentioned. Swindon has.

For all those who think that a fringe party of 10 MPs has no power in parliament, may I introduce to you the DUP....

Doesn't matter. The point is to vote people out, not in. And keep doing it until the message drops that the only way to stay in is to listen to voters.

Because people keep voting for them. They reward bad behaviour. And there are other sources of feedback: look at which are the most sold/read tabloids in the UK, and what mentality and political worldview of the readers they reflect. Just like tabloids get sold by reflecting the readership's thinking, politicians get elected by reflecting the voters' thinking.

 

Mass riots are very unlikley.

The large working class communities that existed in the 70s and 80s arent around any more.
The population is very diverse now, with much smaller group identities which doesn't lend its self to mass demonstrations.

 

You're talking down the country. We're all overweight anyway, this'll be a great way to trim the fat and get us as a country into a lean workforce. Then we'll be nimble, and agile, and can sign trade deals left right and centre because we'll be nimble and agile and be able to outmanoeuvre the bigger slow lumbering fat countries.

Obligatory /s because it really is needed these days.

 

Yeah, we reached peak Poe's Law sometime last year...

 

True enough, i'd missed that, the Civic ends in 2021 - what happens after that who knows. Much like Nissan and Sunderland I guess, although I expect Turkey's plant has more long term prospects than Sunderland's.

I don't disagree. The Independent Group aren't a registered party at this point in time though. A valid hypothesis for this is so that they don't have to release details of who is funding them.

Edit: Mind you if the prospect of Labour losing many MPs to TIG pushes him towards another referendum it'll have done its job in my eyes.

 

I wouldn't consider that a mass riot given that it was centralised to London and the numbers involved where small even by British historical standards, compared to our french neighbours it was very small.
Comparitivley Britain isn't really a rioting country at this point, you only have to look at the equipment the police carry compared to similar western democracies to see it not a significant threat. The sale of Boris's water cannons being a perfect example.


As for food shortages its seems a tad sensationalist to suggest there will suddenly be mass shortages of all food.
Worst case it would be less choice of food and limited more to homegrown produce and at an increased cost.

 

Which might be ok, if Brexit weren't set to happen slap bang in the middle of what is known as the 'hungry gap'.

 

Awesome, boiled everything like in the 70's.

Mind you, keep the population underfed, but just fed enough, and they have less energy to riot.

 

I think it's been posted before, but yep here's a video of a supermarket buyer who states the same thing

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/supermarket-fruit-buyer-no-deal-brexit/

 

If it had been isolated you could hardly call what happened in the northern towns rioting, I’ve seen worse after the football.

As I pointed out there would be more limited choice of foods but people would hardly be starving or not able to get 3 meals a day as per the barbarian comment.

I can only comment on farms in similar position to mine but we currently have used hardly any of our winter stocks because it has been relatively mild and we could easily up production another 20-25% if required.
We are currently throwing a load away due to low demand and quotas.

 

Nope.
I’m not going to debate with someone who can’t be civil.

 

Birmingham isn’t a northern town..