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News AMD confirms job losses amid revenue slump

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Gareth Halfacree, 19 Oct 2012.

  1. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Staff Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

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    tonyd223 king of nothing

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    Damn, I was looking for an A85 FM2 itx motherboard to fit in the Cooler Master Elite 120, but the way things are going I bet they'll be scarce...
     
  3. Platinum

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    I think IBM will have bought them in less than 2 years.
     
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    I don't see why they would be.
     
  5. Jhodas

    Jhodas Theorist

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    If AMD land the next-gen console contracts as rumoured it will bring them back into the fray.
    I'm an AMD fanboy, but am currently running Ivy Bridge. If AMD go under we'll end up in a full on monopoly which won't do anyone any favours.
     
  6. rollo

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    AMD name might disappear but somebody will take over them, the worrying thing for AMD is there high debt that they are having to pay off and it's costing them money. If the 1.5bil of debt was not over there heads people would not worry so much about there future. The fact they are now fabless is part of the problem, to reliant on tmsc for there chips who have had alot of issues this year with supply.

    Gpu devision is also basically break even for the year, still don't think buying ATI has made financial sence in the long term.

    They need to get back the high margin server markets if they are to survive, 5% market share in servers and 18% in consumer CPUs is shocking for a company that was at 50-50 in both 3 years ago.

    Nokia lost 754million dollars so I don't see how 154mil is huge, it's tiny in reality with there cash reserve they will take another 8 quarters to go bankrupt Nokia in comparison would take 4 at those loses.
     
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    x5pilot Fragile explosion

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    Have you seen IBMs share performance lately?!
     
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    i dont get the whole 'we're gonna shed some staff now' either the staff being laid off were benefitting AMD by more than their salary or not - if not why were AMD continuing to pay them in first place and just remove the unproductive as they arise? If they do provide more benefits than salaries then AMD cant afford to lose them more than they cant afford to pay them.
     
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    They will save about $190 million a year by cutting those jobs. It's totally common for a company to save on salaries first when in need. And money almost always outweighs the "benefit" of an employee, at least in a large company.

    I hope they will survive this and get back into business, even if it's not CPUs for high end PCs. As discussed in other articles, the PC hardware market is kinda f***ed right now, anyway. I mean how desperate must it be if retailers hope for Windows 8 to get sales back up again. :p
     
  10. faugusztin

    faugusztin I *am* the guy with two left hands

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    Intel pricing is already independent on what AMD puts on the market and the pricing levels in customer market are already pretty much established - €999 for the current highend CPU (Core i7 S2011 highend), €500 for the mid-highend (Core i7 S2011 mid-range), around €300-350 for low-highend (Core i7 S2011 low) and high-mainstream (Core i7 S1155), around €180-250 for mid-mainstream (Core i5 S1155), around 100-140€ for low-mainstream (Core i3 S1155) and the sub-100€ market for Celerons and Pentiums.

    Look back to Sandy Bridge - you had same prices. S1156/S1366 ? Same prices. Even in the era of Core 2 Duos and Quads you had pretty much the same price ranges.

    So as i said, Intel pricing is already independent on AMD and CPU prices wouldn't go up just because AMD leaving the market.

    What would change is maybe the development tempo - right now you get a tick or tock every year for the mainstream. That could slow down to one and half or two years, but not much more than that, because again, Intel needs to sell and if you don't innovate, customer won't buy the same thing over and over again.

    Where AMD exit would hurt is the graphics card segment.

    But all this is irrelevant, as AMD would need about a decade or more to actually get close to bankrupcy.
     
  11. Elton

    Elton Officially a Whisky Nerd

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    I don't think it'd take AMD a decade to close. Insolvency is probably what's going to happen given the massive exoduses that's been happening to the staff since 2009.

    The biggest problem with AMD though is the fact that they bought a graphics division (ATI) for a huge sum of money that they probably could've used to leverage and commit to their CPU roadmaps. That's the sad part to be honest. To be frank, AMD's management really didn't figure it out and they're paying for it. In diversifying their markets, they essentially robbed themselves of an ability to focus on one aspect of design. Admittedly desktop CPUs are on a downturn but their APUs are soon to be challenged given their anemic CPU performance and any integrated SoC will be outdone by either Atom or ARM based chips.

    I'm not trying to be an AMD hater, I want them to survive, but as it looks the only thing that might survive all of this is perhaps the Opteron and ATi sectors of AMD. They might live off licensing things, but without vertical integration. They're boned. Logistically, they've got a CEO who's been trying to cut everything and then diversify in an attempt to bring back quarterly revenue back but the problem in a massively competitive market (and especially in the CPU market where you're eclipsed if you're AMD) is that if you split your already limited resources, you're only crippling yourself.

    Furthermore due to these cuts, the roadmaps have been pushed back. Just like how Bulldozer was repeatedly pushed back. Times are bleak for AMD and that isn't good. AMD might survive of SeaMicro though. But honestly outside of their graphics division and perhaps parts of their server division. AMD might go insolvent in the next three years and sell off the rest of the company.

    As for Intel? They'll just continue moving on. Their ticks and tocks might take longer, but given the lithography it's not surprising. AMD Graphics won't exit since they have some tasty deals with the console peddlers, but even that revenue might not last too long.

    Unless of course APUs become all the rage. But Intel might supplant that with their ever increasingly powerful IGPs.
     
  12. faugusztin

    faugusztin I *am* the guy with two left hands

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    It would take many, many years. After the ATI deal, they were 2 years in $3000M loss. You know what, they were in loss the whole decade of '90s - every year, every quarter. So just because they are optimizing the number of employees where it should be it doesn't mean they are going to bankrupt :
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    2005 drop is Spansion spinoff, 2006 increase is result of buying ATI. By cutting 10% of workforce, they are going to drop back to ~10000 employees, in other words back to 2009 status.

    Sure, they will probably have few years with tens or few hundreds million USD losses, but that won't make them go bankrupt. They will have to minimize the losses, maybe licence ARM or grab TI from hands of Amazon and start making mobile chips etc etc. They need to rethink and recreate their product portfolio, that's all.
     
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    There's practically no money in the contracts - the console makers drive very hard bargains.
     

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