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News AMD Kaveri APU details and release date announced

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Meanmotion, 12 Nov 2013.

  1. Meanmotion

    Meanmotion bleh Moderator

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  2. jrs77

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    All nice and dandy, but the CPU-part of this chip is what bothers me the most.

    The 512 SPs of the IGP might be the same as on a HD7750, but it only has access to a shared DDR3 memory instead of GDDR5, so it won't come even close to a HD7750 in reality.

    Also, we're quiet possibly speaking of a 135W-part for the A10-7850k, which isn't going to be cooled silently in a small box like a mITX-HTPC.

    And as I said upfront, I'll be interested when the CPU-part of this chip can come close to the performance of an i5-xxxx, which the current A10-6800k simply doesn't.
     
  3. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    Why does it seem odd that the GPU speed is 720MHz, when the 7750 is 825MHz and the next gen consoles are around 800Mhz. Im assuming Kaveri shares some similarity with the way the custom made jaguar chips share GPU and CPU memory, or am i way off with my assumption ?
     
  4. Hustler

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    ..And news of desktop FX CPU's is where?

    At the end of the day, these FM2+ are for budget builds, I'm only interested if AMD are still going to release a proper, unlocked CPU for those who want a genuine alternative to Intel.

    Unlocked, 4Ghz, 8 core Steamroller if you please AMD.....
     
  5. jrs77

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    Will never happen again, that AMD develops and manufactures CPUs for the high-end-desktops. AMDs whole focus is on APUs and their new low-power ARM-based server-chips.

    They've given up competing with intel basically.
     
  6. Snips

    Snips I can do dat, giz a job

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    I completely get it that AMD want to go for the lower end of the build spectrum. I just wish there was a single voice, from within the bowels of AMD that can stand up and say "Remember when we made stuff that were cool? Can we do that again?"
     
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    Was not sure if AMD was continuing with its Fx range. Thought they were moving onto other things with there module designed cpus.

    This is still 28nm so there is not huge gains to be had in reality. Expect this to be 5-10% better in graphics than the last version with similar cpu capabilities.
     
  8. GuilleAcoustic

    GuilleAcoustic Ook ? Ook !

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    Do not forget GCN, Mantle and true Audio addition ... this could make a nice little box. I'm wondering how Mantle enabled games will perform on this.
     
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    How Mantle performs in general is the $64,000 question, isn't it? Personally, I think it looks promising, but anyone buying AMD for Mantle alone is taking a leap of faith at this point.
     
  10. GeorgeStorm

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    I would very much like them to release a higher power chip on this chipset (or any other in itx form!)

    Just built myself a FM2 based build since I didn't want to wait and I got a good deal, but I'll be keeping an eye on these.
     
  11. SAimNE

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    plus with hsa if you get a card it can crossfire with and 2gb+ of gddr5 you can easily get a huge level of performance(probably would be able to find non-ref cards that double memory or something)
     
  12. azazel1024

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    Mmmm, CPU might be holding you back then though. 2 module/4 core is not a whole lot of processing power. Though it might be enough to get good frame rates in games if you got a 7750 and stuck it in crossfire with this thing.

    Just...well, I guess it makes a fine budget machine.

    The CPU is still just very, very sad (I think that works out to around 60-75% of a core i3 Ivy chip in single thread, depending on Steamrollers exact gains, and around 90-110% in multithreaded integer stuff).
     
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    For a mATX or mITX build I would still rather save up and then pay for an ASUS 760Ti Mini with pretty much any £80-£180 Intel CPU. Yes it costs more but you get much more performance and that build should last for years while still being able to build a small build.

    For me, these APUs are only interesting when it comes to laptops and the potential for an NUC size build.
     
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    It all depends on what you need. Why paying nvidia + intel price if all you'll ever need is an APU ?
     
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    That's right. For alot of people the AMD APUs are basically all they need for their office and multimedia-tasks.

    If you're working on your machine - let alone playing games - then there's no way around an intel CPU currently.
     
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    I shouldn't think it would be that high. The HD7750 is a sub 75W part itself and can be passively cooled. The CPU is also not a particularly high wattage part either.

    Which is very sad indeed for the rest of the industry. In time, with profitability, and if there is still money to be made in the x86 business, AMD could return in force, but it would take a ballsy CEO and some outstanding engineers to pull the company out of the mire into which their x86 business has sunk.

    I would have loved to have seen AMD continue pushing cores for example. Not the way that they have with the Bulldozer architectures, but real high IPC cores. You may say that we don't need such large numbers of cores, but servers do and it's a nice side benefit to get additional cores on the high end desktop.

    Intel have stopped pushing cores so much on the desktop, instead focusing on mediocre 10% IPC improvements and 100MHz speed bumps year to year and integrated GPUs that are never used by most people that build custom machines. Even the new X79 parts are the lowest end of the IB-E parts.

    I took a punt on Mantle when I saw the HD7970 prices come down. It wasn't the only consideration, but it was certainly part of it;along with boosting my folding output massively.

    This so much!
     
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    If you look at the current A10-6800k and the current FX then a 125-135 Watt isn't that high of an estimate tbh.

    Yes it is sad, as intel doesn't need to improve much either, allthough they actually do quiet alot imho. Especially shrinking their nodes further and further with 14nm to come in 2014.
    And allthough the processing-power doesn't increase much, but the overall-performance gets better this way nevertheless. And they've shown with their Iris Pro chips, that they can actually built a good APU to begin with.

    More than 4 cores aren't that much of interest for the absolute majority of desktops. Only those who do alot of rendering are really in need of as many cores as possible, but these people usually work with render-nodes to offload the work to a second machine purely ment for the task.

    The thing I'm mostly interested in is performance/Watt and singlethread-performance. And in this area intel beats AMD since the introduction of the first Core2Duo.
    AMD could for example develop on more efficient CPUs to compete with intel on the performance/Watt-area, but they don't seem to have any interest in that for desktop-parts and focus on that area only in the server-market with their new multicore ARM-based chips.
     
  18. Harlequin

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    Iris pro good? really? its a larger die than the GTX 660!!

    horrensous cost as well - AMD have the market here , and tbh who actually cares at the latest i7 - games are really GFX limited now.
     
  19. Gareth Halfacree

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    Unless you're a Linux/BSD user, in which case the more cores the better. I use a quad-core chip, and would really like an eight-core when I next upgrade - because it has a direct impact on how quickly I can get things done.

    Perfect example: let's say I'm compressing backups. While the traditional bzip2 application is single-threaded, I use lbzip - which is multi-threaded with a pretty nearly linear gain in performance, meaning what would have taken an hour is done in just 15 minutes. What about when I'm reprocessing PDFs to reduce the resolution of the embedded images for posting on the web? Again, normally that'd be a single-threaded operation - but using GNU Parallel to drive Ghostscript means I can run four instances at the same time on my list of PDFs to be processed, again finishing the job in around a quarter the time it would normally take. If I had an eight-core chip, I'd be getting these jobs done in an eighth the time.

    Sure, if you're running *Windows* then anything above a quad-core might be a waste except for selected specialist scenarios, but don't tar all computer users with the same brush. My AMD chip might be weak in IPC, but it's a damn sight faster for my workloads than an equivalently-priced dual-core Intel part. S'why I bought it, after all.
     
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    As soon as AMD can offload its FPU computations to future GCN, there will be no concern over 'core' count. ALU will do the mundane tasks and you'll have tons of FPU for everything else.

    It's a shame AMD hasn't committed to a '6-core' FM2+ though, and just whacked up the TDP for shits-n-giggles. They won't win awards but enthusiasts wouldn't care. FX9000 series still sold, and FM2+ has TrueAudio/PCIe/etc
     
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