1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Hardware AMD Phenom X3 8750

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Tim S, 23 Apr 2008.

  1. Tim S

    Tim S OG

    Joined:
    8 Nov 2001
    Posts:
    18,881
    Likes Received:
    78
  2. Naberius

    Naberius New Member

    Joined:
    20 Nov 2006
    Posts:
    209
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yet more disappointment from AMD, think i will stick with Intel for a while longer.
     
  3. p3n

    p3n New Member

    Joined:
    31 Jan 2002
    Posts:
    778
    Likes Received:
    1
    It really doesn't seem like a huge leap for someone to take AMD's place as second best; since they are second by such a large margin now :(
     
  4. Kúsař

    Kúsař regular bit-tech reader

    Joined:
    23 Apr 2008
    Posts:
    317
    Likes Received:
    4
    Hi Tim & Richard
    Great review!(as usually) and +1 for including results of overclocked CPU.

    Seems like AMD should focus on core architecture to catch up with intel(or leap ahead:)).

    I've got one question for you - I've bought Athlon X2 5000+ black ed., Asus M3-A32 MVP dlx and Corsair XMS2 at 800MHz CL4.
    I managed to overclock it from 2.6GHz to 3.2GHz. I only had to rise CPU voltage to 1.325V to get it running completely stable, however I had to loosen memory timings from 4-4-4-12-2T to 5-5-5-15-2T. I would like to get mem's running at CL4 setting. Can you give me any advice on this? There are some other voltages to increase, but I'm not sure about them.
    I'll be very thankful for any help.

    Cheers
    -K
     
  5. Guest-16

    Guest-16 Guest

    :D Thanks.

    We were told and were expecting the CPU to be £90-100: basically an E6550 contender. However we waited until this morning and it's far in excess of the price we were told :(

    Have you increased the memory voltage/northbridge voltage (if there's a specific option for the CPU-NB)?
     
  6. Kúsař

    Kúsař regular bit-tech reader

    Joined:
    23 Apr 2008
    Posts:
    317
    Likes Received:
    4
    That was quick!
    It's the very same mobo you used(M3A32) - I think I noticed "northbridge voltage" there.
    I'll try it(and perhaps report how much it helped:))
    Thanks!!!
     
  7. K20

    K20 New Member

    Joined:
    22 Dec 2007
    Posts:
    26
    Likes Received:
    0
    I don't know what I'm most disappointed about: the lack of higher clock speeds, the stupid model number system AMD's using which stops them raising the clock speeds, AMDs slides saying quad was upto 20% faster than tri when we can clearly see it's >20% faster at times or the fact that Bit-tech didn't try gaming and encoding at the same time. Now so that you don't think I'm completely unappreciative of the work you do: Thank you, a nice thorough review as always.
     
    Last edited: 23 Apr 2008
  8. Amon

    Amon inch-perfect

    Joined:
    1 Jun 2007
    Posts:
    2,467
    Likes Received:
    2
    Statistically, it doesn't seem like that bad of a processor. Lower the price about £25 and we've got a pretty decent chip.

    And is it just me, or is the colour key for the "PCMark Vantage x64 Composite Scores" still off like it was in the last review?
     
  9. Guest-16

    Guest-16 Guest

    "Northbridge" is different to "CPU-NB". I know Phenoms have the CPU-NB option which is specific to the memory controller on the M3A32

    Amon - "off"?
     
  10. Amon

    Amon inch-perfect

    Joined:
    1 Jun 2007
    Posts:
    2,467
    Likes Received:
    2
    Yup. E8500 and E8400 are burgundy and orange, respectively. But in the key, they are represented as blue and violet.
     
  11. Guest-16

    Guest-16 Guest

    :| strange. I'll look at it.
     
  12. Tim S

    Tim S OG

    Joined:
    8 Nov 2001
    Posts:
    18,881
    Likes Received:
    78
    Yep, the problem is price - nothing else, really. :)
     
  13. fev

    fev Industry Fallout

    Joined:
    13 Aug 2003
    Posts:
    0
    Likes Received:
    20
    faiding since when has faiding been a word?!
     
  14. metarinka

    metarinka New Member

    Joined:
    9 Feb 2003
    Posts:
    1,844
    Likes Received:
    3
    poor AMD that can't seem to contend at all with intel on this round, definately not on price point.
     
  15. Brett89

    Brett89 Active Member

    Joined:
    15 Dec 2005
    Posts:
    1,315
    Likes Received:
    17
    I saw the numbers and X3 and thought, what kind of crazy graphics card is this for a second. I hope AMD can get a good high end chip into the market soon, competition is so much better for the consumer, like you don't know that though.
     
  16. Spaceraver

    Spaceraver Ultralurker

    Joined:
    19 Jan 2006
    Posts:
    1,363
    Likes Received:
    5
    so an underclocked X3 8x50 in a microatx for a htpc isn't the way to go??
    pitted against a BE is it a viable option for the price??
     
  17. xtremeownage

    xtremeownage New Member

    Joined:
    27 Jan 2008
    Posts:
    13
    Likes Received:
    0
    I have a question about AMD and ATI products. ON paper their Spec out perform the Nvidia GPUs...
    400 or more stream proccessors compared to the 128 or 256. Its really wierd. Higher clock speed etc. Whats going on. They even use ddr4 and still cant beat the GTX versons of high end cards. there X2 came yes it was powerful on paper and couldnt out perform the gx2
     
  18. xtremeownage

    xtremeownage New Member

    Joined:
    27 Jan 2008
    Posts:
    13
    Likes Received:
    0
     
  19. K20

    K20 New Member

    Joined:
    22 Dec 2007
    Posts:
    26
    Likes Received:
    0
    DAMMIT (AMD/ATI) and Nvidia have different ways of counting stream processors:
    AMD counts a cluster of 4 small ones (which can't do special functions) and 1 fat one (which can do special functions) as a single stream processor.
    Nvidia counts a cluster of one normal processor and one special function processor as a single stream processor.
    - note that neither processor is comparable to its competitor's version.

    So the total number of individual processors in:
    AMD's Radeon HD 3870 - 320 SP running at 775 MHz - Total GigaFLOPS = 496. Core clock speed = 775 MHz. Mem speed = 2250 MT/s GDDR4.
    Nvidia's GeForce 9800 GTX - 256 SP running at 1125 MHz - Total GigaFLOPS = 416. Core clock speed = 650 MHz. Mem speed = 970 MT/s GDDR3.
    - Reference specifications. The core clock speed is what the rest of the chip (i.e texture units, command processor, output units etc.) runs at. Since both cards I've mentioned have identical ammounts of RAM and an equally wide bus to RAM, their RAM bandwidth is directly related to the speed of their RAM. GDDR4 has higher latency than GDDR3 so although it runs faster it has to do this to 'catch up', it offsets this by being able to run at higher speeds.

    But the real reason for the Radeons falling behind the GeForce is the difference in texturing capacity: 12.4 GigaTexels verses 41.6 GigaTexels. I'm sure that the fact Nvidia works with almost every game developer has nothing to do with. :rolleyes:.
     
  20. maha_x

    maha_x New Member

    Joined:
    12 Sep 2007
    Posts:
    15
    Likes Received:
    0
    just proves that most stuff benefits squat from anything beyond dual cores.. Software hasn't been keeping up with these multiple cores..
     
Tags: Add Tags

Share This Page