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Windows Any vista beta testers here?

Discussion in 'Software' started by allforcarrie, 28 Jul 2005.

  1. TheAnimus

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    sorry part of my inability to speak english there hamish.

    i was thinking user, as in user object, as in the client of the tab. I don't know why i was thinking that, as its just plain worng, as its the server i should be describing not the client.

    in short, yes, i thought i was talking about tabs too.
     
  2. quack

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    Each tab needs its own file menu? I'm sure that's the case in Opera and Firefox too, and they can keep the file menu in the same place as every other application for every version of Windows to date. I don't understand why they had to move it to where it is now. It's totally stupid.
     
  3. Stompy

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    In opera you can drag a tab away from the main window :)
     
  4. MiT

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    I have a few things I would like the vista beta testers to pass onto M$, if it is possible.
    I think M$ should add more functionality to the OS.

    Let me try to explain my self….

    • When moving or copying a few, if the transfer breaks, you have to start again, so a resume function would be good.

    • They should also have something similar to “DAP”, built into IE7.

    • They should also make menu features to help users to easily tweak the system.

    • Easier to partion and manage drives

    • More control over start-up programmes, instead of “msconfig”

    Hope you guys understand what I mean.

    Basically M$ should try and make features that users use third party software for. Well I guess they are trying too, with built in firewall e.t.c, but I think they should also consider small functionalities like mentioned above, things people use more often, and may have been missed out in the past OS.

    Ok it may sound silly, and it is better to use specialised software. However, I guess, like every other software you want the best. In addition, many home users do not even know what software is good for what, and plus a lot of the best software you have to pay for.


    Offtopic
    I think the idea of having a more sleekly look is a great idea, I guess a lot of people, use programmes to change there appearance of the desktop allot, to make life easier, by having programmes and information just a click away.

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    Sorry about my poor English, and grammar.
     
  5. John Cena

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    Here's what I think Microsoft should do:

    * Get rid of the registry editor permently.
    * Disallow ANY thing to write to the system or windows directly so nothing gets corrupted.
    * The above would break millions of programs because they need to put their crappy dlls into the system directory causing unstableness. But I think every program should be recoded so they keep their own bs in their own directory (thats the friggin point of the "program folders")
    * Instead of ridding the start bar, leave it as it is BUT also have a option where we can choose to have a Mac style dock menu. This makes it so that newbies dont get confused and still have their precious startbar.
    * When a serious system configuration is changed, instead of saving/reading from ".ini" files, it should dynamically compile the files need that the configuration changed. This ensures the maximum possible speed an tweaked OS could give out
     
  6. quack

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    Now I've got that out my system... IE does support resume on downloads, and has done for a while, it just doesn't work very well... so fixing that would be nice - although I don't even use IE anymore. They do need a proper download manager though, like the one Firefox has. Makes life so much simpler when you can see your recent downloads in one window.
     
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  7. Cheap Mod Wannabe

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    Ahhh wouldn't it be Mac then...?

    Damn how could we turn off all the damn annoying things in windows with no regedit? :idea:
     
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  8. MiT

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    :D thats so true, the programes should just keep there own files in there own folders. Well am not sure how it all works, but there must be a good reason not to. but then again am sure some cleaver people, can design a new method of managing programmes togther.

    :idea: may be, if the OS looks for the reg file in the program folder instead of adding it to the reg.

    Well .....aaarrrrggg.....yeap ok may not work for loads of reasons, but hey i tried. lol lol

    It would be funny one day, if somebody made it work like that. oh well
     
  9. RTT

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    There was some discussion on slashdot about this where someone gave quite a detailed reasoning for MS's decision to put the file menu where they've put it. It made a lot of sense even. I didn't quite agree with it, but it was a great justification none the less. A shame that I can't find the comment in question that i'm referring to :(
     
  10. hcker2000

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    I for one am very gald you guys are telling me that I can turn off the "new" start bar. Is there a way to leave the windows skined and just have the start bar act like the windows 2k one?

    Windows has had a good layout for a long time now. I dont care for the xp crap (big huge bars). To me there is only one windows manager that I love. FluxBox. They have it down. Minimalistic in resorces and desktop space. Heck you can even add desktop icons now (i think u need a plug in for it though). Any way glad to here that I can go back to some what normal windows when forced to move on.
     
  11. Hamish

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    yea, same way you do in XP

    i found fluxbox too minimalist, xfce4 Cheesecake!

    big huge bars?
     
  12. hcker2000

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    Yea the big huge title bars in xp (with the skined theme) :{

    fluxbox is just nice because its point is to be stream lined. With a few plug ins you can get more function from it. That and it has window tabs which freaking rule. BEOS had them but they didnt work as well if I remember right.
     
  13. Cheap Mod Wannabe

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    So I got my hands on Beta too..o... mhmm.mmm.... m

    The Beta really sparked some anticipation in me... Can't wait for full release now.
    Sure it's just Beta... half of drivers don't work, svchost goes crazy sometimes... many bugs here and there, insects living in your desktop grass... But that's all expected for an early Beta. Now spray some bugspray and you have a great OS. Installation of OS was never simplier, everything is becoming more functional and quite easier to use. Those who do not like the menus can just turn few services off... or go download some software and make their own menus. Finally MS is thinking not just about what users can achieve, but how to make it easier for them to achieve it. I think it's quite a big step... I was not expecting MS to do nothing better. Those who got dissapointed because they though new windows will be totally different with some never seen features are too naive... It's MS after all.

    I really liked Speech Recognition. Not for typing, but for controlling your computer. It is quite accurate and not just cool, but usefull too. However it is not perfect, thus it has to be used with some help of keyboard and mouse. I played with it for 30 mins (when my Sound Drivers were still working). Open Internet Explorer, Home (google.com), then used keyboard to type in firefox cause type in recognition did not work well, Download Firefox, Open, YEs, Blah blah, and then after installation you just say Open Firefox and it works. And controls like that work great without you training PC to your voice. This voice recognition can be great for media center PC's, powerpoint presentations and etc.

    But if to look at Beta itself.... Hell... one time I managed to make my sound drivers work... however ethernet drivers did not... Then I installed different driver pack which made my ethernet drivers work however not sound drivers.... Also I had a problem where svchost process was using 100% of my CPU... now that's fixed.... Also due to my ignorant mind I messed up my boot.ini on my main Win XP/HDD/partition so now I'm stuck on Windows Beta... (if both HDD's would have been connected while installing Windows Vista then boot.ini would have been edited by Longhorn making user able to choose which OS to load) ... so now I will just go google around for SATA drivers and maybe fix Sound Drivers.

    P.S. Sry for writing so much bull**** I was just feeling cold and lonely in this new buggy OS...
     
  14. Death Reaper

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    One thing I'd like someone to pass on is to make themes easy to edit and add by the native manager (I don't know if this *is* in it or not)

    For too long there have been things like windowsblinds and stylexp..and it'd be a whole lot better if it was builtin, because it would use less resources.

    Also, is the desktop sidebar builtin with Vista? If not..that's some functionality as well (optional though). It takes up some resources as a third party software..

    Overall, Vista sounds pretty good..maybe MS is getting their act together finally..

    Regards,
     
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    I think the customized desktops are not popular enaugh, and also most of customization is too confusing for many computer users.


    P.S. I fixed all the drivers and now Vista is fully functional.
     
  16. alcedes

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    Google added a Mac style dock bar to their home page that would only show up for Mac users. overall they made the page consistent with the Mac UI. Shortly there after Apple sent Google a cease and desist order.

    Given Apples diligence in protecting the intelectual property using legal action I don't think it would be a good idea to assymilate to much of their UI. Besides, they have patents on a lot of their interface elements, down to that little rotating rainbow wheel.
     
  17. alcedes

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    Windows Registry


    There exists settings that are meant to be global to a system and not affected by program location. The same setting may at times be used by more than one program. Disallowing registry functionality would cause these settings to need to be replicated (which potentially leads to consistency problems).

    There also exists settings that are shared by several programs regardless of their physical location. The registry is an idea location for such things.

    Back in the DOS days it was necessary to do lots of probing of the file system to discover information that other programs. For example, if an upgraded version of a program were being installed and the upgrade must discover where an older version is installed. Today for such an action all that is necessary is to ready some target registry key.

    With the release of .Net Microsoft has put an emphasis of programs keeping private copies of their settings and of their DLLs. You might see this practice taken to another level in Windows Blackcomb, but for now I would imagine the registry will be areound for quite some time.
     
  18. Hamish

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    not to mention you really dont need a dock in windows, just use the quicklaunch dammit :p
     
  19. alcedes

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    That's strange. I ran Longhorn in Virtual PC and the video was in 16-bit mode. it was slow, but it was there. I eventually decided to just run Vista natively on on old Pentium 4 that I don't use.
     
  20. Death Reaper

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    I think with the registry/dll issue, Windows needs to organize the system folder, creating a foldeer for all the installed registry/dll's to go, so you know what is *supposed* to be there from windows (all other folders) and what isn't (the dll folder) this allows windows to then seal off the rest of the folder, allowing only those specific folders that have been marked, to be written to.

    Makes it less vulnerable to viruses, and all other sorts of crap being installed to the windows folder. Also makes it more organized.

    Regards,
     
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