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Chimps Challenge 2012 - IN PROGRESS, GET INVOLVED :-)

Discussion in 'bit-tech Folding Team' started by coolamasta, 23 Jan 2012.

  1. Xavier Zepherious

    Xavier Zepherious What's a Dremel?

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    Will coolamasta log into the CC forums

    seems we might have resolved a deadlock if we can get the teams to agree to a new format



    Overclockers Proposal
    Format:

    two brackets, unlimited (straight points race), and a handicap bracket. The handicap basis point score for each team would be taken directly from their average day in the CC, last year.

    If you believe it favors smaller teams a bit too much, then give each team a 50% penalty for the *increase* - sounds diabolical, but it cuts down on the advantage of the smaller teams percentage being a smaller quantity, compared to the same percentage increase, in a larger team.

    (I'm not sure this is needed since the smaller teams will undoubtedly be in the handicap bracket, and the larger teams will be in the unlimited bracket.)

    It's fair, it handles any problem of teams merging (like NCIX and HWC last year), and has a leveling effect on the competition.

    Points:

    Points in this format would be:

    Unlimited bracket:
    race points earned = total FAH pts.

    Handicap bracket:
    race points earned = total FAH pts - average days total FAH pts taken from last years CC.

    Teams that are new to the CC and racing for the first time need a simple tweak to the points formula:

    race points earned = total FAH pts - team daily average for the last six months.

    It's important to remember in the midst of all this, that this is just a FUN race. It's not life or death -- it's more important than that! I don't need rules about EVGA having contests during the race, or any team "timing" work units so they score the most points, etc.

    It's a race!

    I don't care if EVGA wants to set their britches afire, and run around the park - if it helps them fold, then it's a win -- for Folding@Home. Maybe EVGA will get some time on a super computer -- Go EVGA! You time your work units, and I'll time mine.

    It's a race!!

    We may melt a server HD at Stanford, but that's their CC challenge!


    if we can agree on this we at least get a race
    we can test Zodac formula too under the handicap
     
  2. Xavier Zepherious

    Xavier Zepherious What's a Dremel?

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    I don't Know if my last post got thru

    EVGA CC Capt XZ (trying to keep name short)

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    we have a proposal from overclockers

    ADAK proposal
    Format:

    two brackets, unlimited (straight points race), and a handicap bracket. The handicap basis point score for each team would be taken directly from their average day in the CC, last year.

    If you believe it favors smaller teams a bit too much, then give each team a 50% penalty for the *increase* - sounds diabolical, but it cuts down on the advantage of the smaller teams percentage being a smaller quantity, compared to the same percentage increase, in a larger team.

    (I'm not sure this is needed since the smaller teams will undoubtedly be in the handicap bracket, and the larger teams will be in the unlimited bracket.)

    It's fair, it handles any problem of teams merging (like NCIX and HWC last year), and has a leveling effect on the competition.

    Points:

    Points in this format would be:

    Unlimited bracket:
    race points earned = total FAH pts.

    Handicap bracket:
    race points earned = total FAH pts - average days total FAH pts taken from last years CC.

    Teams that are new to the CC and racing for the first time need a simple tweak to the points formula:

    race points earned = total FAH pts - team daily average for the last six months.

    It's important to remember in the midst of all this, that this is just a FUN race. It's not life or death -- it's more important than that! I don't need rules about EVGA having contests during the race, or any team "timing" work units so they score the most points, etc.

    It's a race!

    I don't care if EVGA wants to set their britches afire, and run around the park - if it helps them fold, then it's a win -- for Folding@Home. Maybe EVGA will get some time on a super computer -- Go EVGA! You time your work units, and I'll time mine.

    It's a race!!

    We may melt a server HD at Stanford, but that's their CC challenge!


    It's simple, and we need to keep it that way. You start the race here, you end the race over there, and in-between, you fold like crazy.

    Keeps it simple, keeps it fun and gets LOTS of folding done.

    And isn't that why we have a CC?

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    We need you to respond back to us
    if you are for it...we would also like you to help convince Zodac at OCN

    Time is short
     
  3. Xavier Zepherious

    Xavier Zepherious What's a Dremel?

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    can someone please contact me at EVGA on the CC
    Im the CC capt and we need your Captain to talk to me or Adak at OCF
     
  4. coolamasta

    coolamasta Folding@Home CC Captain 2010/11/12

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    Sorry I've not been around the last week or so, will log in and have a read today, cheers :thumb:
     
  5. ArthurBuse

    ArthurBuse CustomBitChimps member

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    If I remember correctly, the not timing units to finish at the start of the race was a Stanford requirement. If the various chimps make up say, 10% of all folding power, then that 10% could be idle for say, half a day before the challenge, then all try to return results and get new work units at the start of the challenge.

    Those of us who remember our machines eating electricity for a day or two without earning any points because they can't get any work units do care if a Stanford server crashes, although newer folders might not.

    The problem with rule changes is that you only find out what is wrong with them during the CC.

    The proposed rules posted by Xavier Zepherious look good, except if a team in handicap scored less than last year, their score would be negative. Not that it would be a problem, it would be hilarious. I assume it is intended to be a limited time event like last year's 10 day race. The bigger teams are not used to 10 days, when it was first to 20 million points in previous years, they were finished in 4 days. (Haha).
     
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  6. Xavier Zepherious

    Xavier Zepherious What's a Dremel?

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    I think that the rules will still be intact - like the other races - like that

    we have teams suggesting going to straight PPD like crunching too
    we also have suggestions to get rid of the switching to chimp names idea

    fine and dandy we can compete and not complain in crunching races
    but folding? do we have to fights so much to get anything


    we have teams saying simpler is better

    whats it gonna be like when we have 20,30m 40 teams squabbling over formula every year
    we have to have a format and formula set in stone - then get the other teams into it

    dual format solves most of the issues
     
  7. Xavier Zepherious

    Xavier Zepherious What's a Dremel?

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    guys.... there is a deadline of this week...so lets move on this

    one deadline came and went from OCN weeks earlier
     
  8. coolamasta

    coolamasta Folding@Home CC Captain 2010/11/12

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    OK guys because of the time left to get something sorted for the CC I think this is the way all the captains and other teams are leaning, what are everyones views on it and I will report back?... :)

     
  9. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    looks fine to me
     
  10. debs3759

    debs3759 Was that a warranty I just broke?

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    Seems OK to me. At the end of the day, I fold for the science. A bit of friendly competition will be nice, and if some members add extra computers for the duration, then those who benefit from the science will see more results come in for the duration. That can't be a bad thing, whatever the odd naysayer may try to tell us.

    My folding is a little sporadic at the moment, as my best system (3930K + GTX 570) is currently not folding, and doubles as a GPU test bench. My secondary system, a Z68 system, is currently without a processor (awaiting Ivy Bridge), and I've had to hold off folding on my Llano system until the end of the month because I can't afford the extra electric until them. All 3 will be folding for the competition :)
     
  11. meandmymouth

    meandmymouth Modder

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    I've just got my 2500K, GTX 560 and laptop up and running again. If I can find a half decent PSU for little money I'll have a Q8300 and GTX 260 up and running too for CC. I think my room is going to get a tad warm...
     
  12. G0UDG

    G0UDG helping others costs nothing

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    Got My gtx 580 and 980x ready for the challenge have we got a start date for it yet Coola m8
     
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  13. coolamasta

    coolamasta Folding@Home CC Captain 2010/11/12

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    Thanks for the feedback guys, start date is looking to be the 5th May as per other years and I will confirm how long the challenge will go on for :)
     
  14. Xavier Zepherious

    Xavier Zepherious What's a Dremel?

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    get in contact with adak(ocf) and zodac(ocn)

    we are changing things we need help if you have ideas and want to fix it contact them
     
  15. Xavier Zepherious

    Xavier Zepherious What's a Dremel?

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    Id ask your team captain to get in touch with ADAk

    things maybe changing... we need ideas and fresh eyes

    for my part I have to take a few days off.
    family Medical emergency - so I can't help pull this off over the next few days

    I am trying to get a another rep from EVGA into it for the short term
    All I ask is everyone try to fix the chimp

    with my father in the hospital - this fighting seems senseless
    this bring in to focus the real goal for me saving lives -
    even if it's not my fathers or someone in my family this is the real reason to have contest like this
    by squabbling we are missing the real reason we do it

    I hope your team backs you and me in trying to fix the chimp this year

    you will still see me once and awhile this week
    I'll be busy with family stuff so I can't help out

    If Im not wipe tired or crabby from the family emergency I'll pop in and see how things are going and add my two cents
     
  16. Christopher N. Lew

    Christopher N. Lew Folding in memory of my father

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    I'll go with the majority.

    Same team name and key as last year?
     
  17. Xavier Zepherious

    Xavier Zepherious What's a Dremel?

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    Zodac and the CC forums wants everyone to chime in on whether to keep the CC names or not
    all the other teams have conducted internal votes

    we need to know where your team stands on this

    as for the formula(s) ... versions will be offered this week

    it will be some form or Categorized Chimp challenge (CCC) format
    if you need to find out about it peruse the EVGA forums

    http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1555924
     
  18. coolamasta

    coolamasta Folding@Home CC Captain 2010/11/12

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    Going on to check now, oh what fun this is to sort this year...
     
  19. coolamasta

    coolamasta Folding@Home CC Captain 2010/11/12

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    Hi Guys, the talks about the scoring system still have not been settled as some teams aren't happy with the solution above...

    Someone has come up with the idea quoted below, what do you guys think of it?

    EDIT: Just put simplified version up

     
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  20. coolamasta

    coolamasta Folding@Home CC Captain 2010/11/12

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    Updated the above with a more simplified version, is everyone happy with the suggestion?

    Time is getting very short now and after so many months of everyone trying to think of a solution that will suit all teams this is getting the vote from most... :)
     

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