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Gaming Forza Motorsport 2

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Tim S, 17 Jun 2007.

  1. SNIPERMikeUK

    SNIPERMikeUK New Member

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    Ok Here Is Another Review!!!

    First things first every reviewer has said the graphics in Forza2 are dissapointing, no their not the cars look stunning if u customise them in the game with own decals (1000 per side of the car where else lets u do that). I totally agree with the AI in this game not being all that, but just go online and u have gotten around that issue.

    The frame rate of 60fps in this game is first class with great HD visuals, when the full 1080p is running from the elite it will look even better as the tv will display 30fps. The auction house is a great thing, as is the photo mode u can actually upload pictures to the official site and download them as desktop wallpaper or whatever floats your boat.
     
  2. BioSniper

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    Sorry, I should have explained clearly when I said not balanced.
    What I meant it that it would also be nice to have perhaps a second part of the review (similar to eurogamer's version) where by the second reviewer isn't a hardened race fan just to give some different eyes to the subject, just that currently I feel that the review is a little one-sided in that respect.
    Just that when it comes to things like where in the review it's stated that "it's too easy" perhaps in the eyes of a non-seasoned racer it's not.
    I for one am not a seasoned racer and find it pretty hard to play, so for a review to outright state "it's too easy" is unbalanced, if you catch my drift.

    I think that makes sense as to what I'm trying to explain/achieve.. hopefully :p
     
  3. Darkedge

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    the A.I in the Forza series is streets ahead of the GT series in that the cars actually seem to have AI as opposed to doing the same lap every time not matter what you do or where you are on the track.

    This is the pinnacle of car racing on consoles and if you look at meta critic you can see alot more respected reviewers were not so bias against it over their beloved GT.

    http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/forzamotorsport2?q=forza 2

    I'm sorry I don;t think this was a balanced fair review.
     
  4. Jamie

    Jamie ex-Bit-Tech code junkie

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    The points you make are true and I accept that if I charge up the inside of a car into a corner they shouldn't just let me through. However, I am constantly being rear ended or my rear corner nudged out of the way spinning me out which is totally wrong. You can also prevent yourself from being overtaken by blocking. Most notable on the New York track when you are in a slow car, just keep blocking and eventually they will brake rather than trying to go around you.
     
  5. Zombie

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    I don't seem to have this happen to me much, not sure why, but i agree when it does it's incredibly annoying. The way i look at it is you see that on BTCC all the time, it's just a shame there's no marshals to hand out penalties to the ai.

    This is a problem that i totally agree on, it's one of those things that in real racing would lead to some form of penalty but i could imagine the outrage from the players if they introduced it to forza.

    I just think the ai is some of the best in a console racer, i agree it's still not perfect but the review should credit the fact that it's pushed things forward even if it's not perfect yet.
     
  6. inflatable

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    The game is not easy at all if you turn of all driving-aids and up the AI level a bit.. If you leave the game on default settings, yeah maybe it's a bit to easy, but that goes for any game left on default settings imho..

    And besides all that, consolegames are more arcade by nature, even socalled sim games like Forza or GT.. The real hardcore sim stuff is only found on the PC..
     
  7. Amon

    Amon inch-perfect

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    I completely forgot it had driving aids. This game *must* be easy, then. I played the first Forza and that wasn't very hard either with the driving aids off. Also, the PC is not a standardized platform, so online players of GTR 2 with framerates in the 60s are going to have an obvious advantage over someone playing on legacy hardware. This is a notable reason for the appeal in launching their racing sim titles on the console only--aside from the obvious exclusivity ass-talk.

    Keep your GT skills sharp. Set the right analog stick in Forza to control the accelerator and braking. The triggers don't make sense to me when I could overlap pressing gas and brake at the same time. Maybe that was why it seems easy to some people :nono:
     
  8. inflatable

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    Why doesn't it make sense to you? In a real car you can overlap gas and brake aswell.. Pro racedrivers use the heel&toe technique alot to use gas and brake at the same time..
     
  9. Amon

    Amon inch-perfect

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    I knew this throttle blip issue was going to be brought up when I said that. I know it is possible for professionals to do blip the throttle in a downshift, but getting off the gas and on the brake, or visa versa in the corner exit, either instantaneously or overlapping, with the same foot doesn't make sense. I made no mention of downshifting.
     
  10. inflatable

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    Using the brake when exiting a corner doesn't make sense, I'll agree on that.. But why would you? As far as I can tell I only use the brake when entering a corner, just like in real life..

    Btw, in go-karting it's even more normal to use gas and brake at the same time.. But that's different I guess..
     
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  11. tuteja1986

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    Your review sucks :(

    I don't think the reviewer is racing simulator buff so he doesn't understand racing sim genera. Also when you play online, play with people you know. You don't want a dick to enter the race and run you off the road. So really play with people you know that wouldn't **** around. Also i don't one person i play with who likes their wireless steering wheel who all bought it for forza. The wheel has a design flaw as you can't do a 180 with degree of accuracy as the wheel can't be turned either fully. Also i am sick of the graphic statement.. some tracks have medicore graphic but other are way better. Forza team spent more time in car models graphic making them look incredibly realistically. Forza is best racing simulator ever made!!

    For newbie i would give this game : 8 out 10
    for people who like racing sim i would give this game : 10 out 10

    go read a better review from an editor who knows more about racing sim !
     
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  12. Veles

    Veles DUR HUR

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    I do hear a lot of people complaining about the lack of challenge, when really, the lack of challenge isn't down to the game but the driver, you don't have to max out your car, but people grab the best car possible and then are surprised that they leave their opponents behind.

    I'm not denying the graphical flaws are there, but I'd rather have a few jaggies than have a stuttering game. IMO, graphics aren't all that important, and I think Forza's graphics are perfectly acceptable, I think too many people slate games nowerdays because they haven't got better graphics than any game released before it.

    But I do praise you for not glossing over the bad points, all too often reviewers find that they like the game, then give only praise and gloss over any downfalls (and in a similar way, a reviewer might find a game they don't like for some reason and just slag it off, completely ignoring any of it's good points).
     
  13. GamingHobo

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    Don't know if that is serious or not, but ROFL either way.
     
  14. completemadness

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    well i have to say, I'm not really a great fan of racing games

    However, this does sound interesting, a realistic(ish) racing sim (aslong as you don't piss around with customisations too much, and use a steering wheel) is actually quite interesting (i wonder how much it would affect your real world driving :eek:)

    But it does sound a bit disappointing in terms of graphics, but i guess they are constrained by the 360's hardware, so there may not be a lot they can do about it
    Personally, a PC version would be good, and arguments about legacy hardware or whatever is a bit futile, if your PC meets the recommended specs, i think that should be enough, hell i know lots of people who do "pro" gaming who will significantly lower their settings to get an edge, they prefer the loss of fidelity for the illusion of better "speed"

    Anyway, try and keep it civil, express your opinion, but don't just outright bash other peoples, its interesting to read what everyone thinks
     
  15. mookboy

    mookboy BRAAAAAAP

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    Woah some people are getting a bit too bent out of shape over a game review. Personally I stopped trusting the opinion of games reviewers years ago - even the mighty EDGE. I actually bought this on the strength of the word of mouth feedback it was getting on a few car forums I frequent, rather than games sites or tech forums. At the end of the day, it's a review based on one persons opinion, and as far as I can tell, there's nothing that suggests this opinion is gospel truth or anything. Chill.

    I've already babbled on about this game elsewhere in this forum, so I'll keep it short. It's a driving game, not a sim, a game. If you play it with this in mind, then you will love it. It's about as close to GT on a non-Sony console as you will get, and for me that's good enough. The graphics range from pretty-ish, to fairly unattractive, but it's the handling and customisation available that makes it such a great GAMEPLAY experience imho.

    And that's just another opinion BTW.
     
  16. Faunus

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    I'd like to know if people are comparing the graphics to what is achievable on the PC, or are they comparing them to what the 360 can do? Compare Forza 2 with the current driving games available on the console, and to be quite frank, it wets all over them.

    As a simulator, you can't really compare it to GTR2, for example, because GTR2 is quite the specialist game. However, taken into account the enormous number of cars in the game, and the fact that you can modify, upgrade and tune every single one of them, I think that Turn 10 have done a superb job.

    Sure, it drives a little bit easy (especially if you are playing with all the driving aids on), but if you want to eek out that extra half second on your lap record, then the game gets VERY hard to drive. It's not just about putting a car on the circuit and driving as fast as you can - it's about fitting upgrades to your car, taking it for a drive, tuning your car, taking it for a drive, tuning your car, etc. This is where Forza 2 is the winner in my opinion.

    I think perhaps the 7/10 review mark was a little harsh, because it really is the flagship racing simulator on the Xbox at this time. However, it's definately not a 10/10, because there is just that little 'something' that is missing. Not sure what that might be, but the game doesn't suck you in and make your eyes water because you haven't blinked for 10 minutes, like some games can do.

    This game is much more deserved of an 8, or 8.5 out of 10 mark.
     
  17. mikeuk2004

    mikeuk2004 What you Looking at Fool!

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    I bought it yesterday and played the first 15 races and loving it. I then went onto 2 player split screen with my bro which was fun.

    The one thing that really ticks me off with racing games is that when you get home like me and the first thing you do is play 2 player to find only 3 cars and 1 track available because you have to play single player first to unlock it all.

    However Forza 2 is different. There are only a few cars locked and you can just jump right in with hundreds of cars to choose and tracks and get racing. nice one Forza team.

    I dont get what people are complaining about the AI and graphics??? It looks great and AI drive much better than other games. They are not glued to the racing line but instead spin off on corners or move aside if you have the line and in front etc.

    Im loving the game and cant wait to get home to unlock more races. I using the mini cooper and the cars I won for tracks that the cooper doesnt qualify for. Im not into moding my cars to make them faster, ill be tacking my cooper as far as I can before buying a new car.

    Im using the Wheel and find it a great drive compare to PGR3, but I use the joypad for split screen as the the game feels so different in split screen.

    Id give it a 9/10 as it is by far the best racing game on 360. I have been looking for a simulator and this is it as I hate the crap like NFS and street racing. I want tracks, and is there any news of a TOCA on 360??? or any F1 game???
     
  18. devdevil85

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    I'm just gonna wait for PGR4 because PGR3 was a good game. Novice and Medium Modes were WAY too easy, but HARD was a good challenge and more than enough for me tbh, so hardcore I just left for a time when I am too bored to play any other games.....Forza 1 was a good game I must admit, especially with the customization and online play, but I was expecting exactly what the reviewer wrote so it came as no shock to me.
    I would read other reviews though before getting all bent-out-of-shape with this one review....
    I thought he had good points and I will take them into consideration.....
     
  19. Snaek

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    Oh, I hate games like that. I bought Burnout Revenge to play with my girlfriend (her favorite genre is racing) only to find that I have to play through the single player to unlock the multiplayer content. She's interested in Forza 2 though, so this is good news. I'll have to pick it up.
     
  20. mookboy

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    Sorry but PGR3 (an 18month old?) game still looks miles better. Not to mention NFSCarbon, and DiRT. Even Test Drive Unlimited, which I thought looked a little... strange, is nicer on the eye imho. I've not judged this against PC titles as I don't play a whole lot of PC games these days. It just looks like one of those games that falls between generations of consoles.
     
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