Well I must admit that I do not look at WHF? much unless I need an opinion on something I am looking to buy or what not. Not any more. Audio was my obsession now it is computers (as you may have noticed lol) and BMX bikes. However... https://www.whathifi.com/beats-dr-dre/pill/review https://www.whathifi.com/beats-dr-dre/urbeats/review Are both products I have looked up in the past. As I say, they are generally pretty harsh on Beats stuff (and rightly so) and I've never seen any of the other products score higher than a 3 star, apart from Studio. And this is a world wide consensus really. IE - all of the other ones are pretty much trash apart from Studio. I love my Powerbeats, but only for one use. I connect them up to the most powerful pre/power headphone amps I have and then I sit there listening to bass test tracks and so on. And for that they are amazing lol Edit. Beats Pro Detox and not real ones either, not Powerbeats..