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Networks HELP wit my lan!!!

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by xosram, 7 Jan 2002.

  1. xosram

    xosram What's a Dremel?

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    i need a lan for my 2 pcs. can anyone help me wit the parts i need?


    i hav:
    • 2 pcs
    • i wanna share my cable broadband...
    • and it must be fast enopugh for games
     
  2. Phil

    Phil What's a Dremel?

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    For 2 PC's the minimum you Need is:

    2 Network Cards (10 or 10/100 Mbps)
    1 Crossover Cat5 network Cable
    (in addition to any network card you're already using for the cable/adsl modem)

    However if at any time you wanted to add a third PC that wouldn't be enough, and you'd need to add Hub or switch.

    A decent future proof set of kit would be:
    2 10/100 Network Cards (such as Netgear FA310)
    1 5 or 8 port 10/100 Switch
    2 Straight thru Cat5 network cables

    The basic package will cost about £20, the better package from £70 to £100 - but you won't need to get any more expensive kit when you want to add extra computers

    You can also buy cheap network starter kits from various places for about £25-35 - some are the stuff i mentioned first, some include a hub.
     
  3. brianpodskalny

    brianpodskalny ladies night!

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    im lazy, and all i had to buy was a nice 4 port router/switch. its nice and fast, and it has room for you to expand. of course youll still need the CAT5 cable of whatever length you need and the 2 NIC cards. the cable doesnt have to be crossover i dont think, most of their hubs/switches have a uplink port that lets you use a regular (cheaper) cable. hopefully they installed a NIC and didnt use USB. god i hate USB cable modems.

    http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=23&prid=20

    they sell them in singapore, the website has links to retail stores that carry them.

    it should be noted that when you get it all set up you should have the router set as a gateway, and the latest version of the firmware enables MAC address cloning, so get the router to emulate being the NIC they gave you. trust me, some cable companies really dislike you splitting your connection, those lil whiney punks! i showed them!
     
  4. vivid

    vivid down in fraggle rock

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    i share my cable connection over just normal 4 port hub with no problems, i dont have to set any off the proxy server stuff up, i used to try and fiddle with all the proxy stuff, but one day i turned it off and all the prgrams like winmx kazaa etc that i couldnt get to work over the network before, worked! its great, i was gonna buy a router aswell, but seeing as it works without one i dont have to waste any cash :D
     
  5. Tim S

    Tim S OG

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    So you have a cable connection that is always on I take it.... without a firewall.... are you nuts!?! :confused:

    I have a proxy set up, and Kazza and Music city, and all those work... just depends how you set your firewall up for those programs to work... in your case you must have set everything up wrong :p ...
    On the grc shields up test, my computer doesnt even respond... it does not recieve any packets when testing the firewall... all potentially bad packets are eaten up by the proxy/firewall server :D

    As far as specs for a proxy, they dont have to be that great, a p166 with 16mb ram is more than adequate :)

    Cheers,

    BiGGiE

    p.s. I used to use smoothwall until I sorted my own out, so I can use a full version of linux, so it acts as a fileserver too :D
     
  6. vivid

    vivid down in fraggle rock

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    well xp has its own firewall doesnt it? or thats what ive been lead to belive, and i tried setting up the proxy details for things like kazaa etc before, and they just never worked, and i checked it over and over again but it still didnt work, until i fiddled with it
     
  7. Tim S

    Tim S OG

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    Yes it does, but have you enabled it? it is not on as default....

    Also I recommend popping over to www.zonelabs.com for something a bit more advanced... its free, and its built on the same code as the award winning Zona Alarm Pro, which is said to be the best personal firewall out at the moment... (notice the emphasis on personal) ;)

    Well worth it for free... this will stop all internet traffic that is potentially bad... just doesn't do it quite as well as a proxy, as your machine still has to respond... however its good... I use it when I go home :)

    Back to the windows XP firewall, if you use your network for filesharing, then don't bother with it, as it stops you from getting to other systems... without "fooling" your system into thinking that you have made contact with them before they have with you :) (Something which I believe hackers have found a way around it)
     
  8. brianpodskalny

    brianpodskalny ladies night!

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    my ISP doesnt like you networking your house so the i wasnt able to just hook up a hub and do it that way. shame, would have saved me about 50 bucks.
     
  9. vivid

    vivid down in fraggle rock

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    neither does mine but i did it anyway :p

    and thanks for the help Biggie
     
  10. Mr T

    Mr T 4 Left Into Long 3 Right

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    I have blueyonder cable should i use Zonealarm ? because last time i used it it stopped loads of stuff actually from blueyonder
     
  11. Phil

    Phil What's a Dremel?

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    if your computer is connected directly to the cable modem then do use a firewall.

    alternatively get a nat router with/without built in firewall. This is more expensive though....
     
  12. relix

    relix Minimodder

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    yeah, most ISP's dont like it when you're networking it, but who cares!

    I want to buy a hardware firewall of IBM, those look really cool, in their red jacket ;) it's as big as a case (like I saw it on the picture, could be smaller though), so, I don't think many hackers would be able to break through one ;)

    Oh yeah, the're about 20.000 euro ;)
     
  13. brianpodskalny

    brianpodskalny ladies night!

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    my ISP threatened me with cutting off my service, but then i talked to a guy much much higher up the ladder than the lil wet whiner that i talked to and he said that its was perfectly fine to have a network, just the company couldnt troubleshoot with it. the nerd at tech support said that if we got caught again we would get our service shut off. full of sh!t. anyway, just to make it easier on myself and saving myself an argrument i just used the handy dandy MAC cloner in my router firmware and poof, no one is yelling at me anymore.

    i am sure someone can hack one of those IBM jobbies, but chances are they wont, not worth it. the fact is that if someone wanted in to your system for any reason, they could get in if they tried hard enough. so just dont keep sensitive documents on your HD and backup everything else often.
     
  14. xosram

    xosram What's a Dremel?

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    thanks guyz

    btw: get a life
     
  15. brianpodskalny

    brianpodskalny ladies night!

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    thats rather rude!
     
  16. Koolvin

    Koolvin The Modfather

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    After all That help thats what you say? to get a Life? hey man if you don't like it here I suggest you leave and go find a library and try to work things out for yourself...
     
  17. psychron

    psychron What's a Dremel?

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    Here's the bare essentials.

    First get 2 cat5 super ethernet cables...there are more twists per cable that way.
    You will need 2 NIC cards (netgear, 3comm...whatever)
    You will also want to get a Linksys cable/DSL router which will allow to proxy your connections, share bandwidth and adds a psuedo firewall to ward off evil-doers...lol
    If you are using win98..a true gamer OS...then you will need to set both pc's in the same workgroup...and configure them to use the tcp/ip settings on your NICS...just type winipcfg and set your correct adapter for them to use. Then share your drive, folder...whatever. Hope this helps!
    oh ya....change the default password on the router..if you don't you just asking for trouble.
     
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