i feel like wasting some money, i have toyed with a 6600gt but i always came back to using my 9800pro @ xt.. but now im looking at the x800 xl's i see they are not great overclockers but ive never been one to OC my gfx cards a lot, if i know a bios flash will work i will do it other than that i leave them alone... but i truly want to know if pixel shader 3 is just crap that was released so nvidia cards wud work better on doom3 or will it actually become the standard to use, as i have seen SC:CT use ps3 now aswell. i didnt like doom3, dont think i will ever play it again, and i dont really see huge mods or games coming based on the doom3 engine... but hl2 on the other hand is the game i can play over and over, and also cs:source, and the great hl2 dm... and as far as i can see from the benchmarks and reviews, the x800 xl sorta beats the 6800GT. the x800xl agp is h00ge !! so ppl, tell me.. sm3 worth the change to nvidia? <-- cus thats really the only advantage i see.. i wud say hdr in far cry.. but its a single player game, after u play it once u never go back so it dont bother me.. so long as HDR will work on hl2 when they release the update i be a happy man i am also forever hearing "gf 6 series has gr8 potential with driver updates" are these driver updates a realistic thing? thnx let me know ure thoughts.