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News Intel Broadwell-K chips tipped to feature Iris Pro

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Gareth Halfacree, 21 Nov 2013.

  1. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Lover of bit-tech Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

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    Gareth Halfacree, 21 Nov 2013
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  2. barny2767

    barny2767 What's a Dremel?

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    Always good to see Intel making things backwards compatible.

    Ho wait you still need a new Mobo to get a 9 series chipset.

    Anyone think Intel is ripping people off here.
     
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  3. GiantKiwi

    GiantKiwi What's a Dremel?

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    They have no decent competition in the consumer market, so they are able to pull any shenanigans they like now.
     
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    This seems ass-backwards. Integrated graphics is great for i3 and i5 builds where you can get away without a discrete GPU (e.g. media-centre, basic office Pc, etc), but if you're plumping for a higher-end CPU you'll likely be buying a discrete GPU too making that integrated GPU just a waste of die space (and money).
     
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    Iris is expensive.
     
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  6. Gareth Halfacree

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    Not at all. Remember that the gaming market isn't Intel's core demographic. Intel's Iris Pro IGP includes features like Quick Sync, designed to speed up video rendering - meaning that someone doing video-heavy work could easily not bother with a discrete graphics card in their system, saving cash, power draw, heat, noise and space. Even for 3D work, Iris Pro is good enough - especially if you're not rendering directly on the workstation but instead shipping the work out to a renderfarm, or if you're doing ray-tracing with something like one of Imagine's Caustic render cards.

    Sure, a gamer will always pair a Core i7 with a discrete GPU or six - but gamers aren't the whole, or even the majority, market.
     
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  7. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    You speak such blaspheme :eeek: :waah:
    Quick grab the pitchforks :D
     
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    They're going to be the few who'll actually overclock their chips though. Anyone doing workstation stuff as you've mentioned wouldn't dare using a chip beyond its spec if it's time/business critical work they're doing. Hence there's no reason to have it on a K-series chip.
     
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  9. Gareth Halfacree

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    Unless they're buying pre-overclocked workstations, which aren't exactly uncommon. Add to that, I know several businesses that mildly overclock their workstations as standard as a means of getting more bang for their buck.
     
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  10. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    While i agree gamers are probably the few who will OC the chip, the K series is likely to come some 6 months or more after the standard chips. Overclocking and gamers are an after thought to their main market, the cost of totally redesigning a chip would be out of the question.
     
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    As much as people are talking about the eDRAM being used for IGP, you're all missing one cool point: we now have a 128MiB block of fast L4 cache, well, faster than RAM, slower than L3 and lower, as is the case with cache levels.

    I for one am looking forward to programmers fitting core gameplay entirely into the cache and leaving the RAM out to be used for large resources, like textures and whatnot.
     
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    Are the variants with less L3 cache only the Iris Pro variants, or all the chips in the (what I assume will be named the 5000) -series will have less cache than their 4000-series equivalents?
     
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    No idea, and Intel ain't saying. Guess we'll be waiting for a more detailed leak, or Intel's official announcement next year, to find out.
     
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    If it's like Intel's current Haswell SKUs, you'll get a minor loss of L3 in exchange for a much larger L4/eDRAM block. ( http://ark.intel.com/compare/75131,76088,76642,75122 )

    EDIT: of course, being K-seires, we may well see full cache allocations...
     
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