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News Micron announces performance-boosted DDR3

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  1. Gareth Halfacree

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    so we have 105ns for current implementatios and this brings that down to 90ns...

    Is that really solved, or mitigated?

    In my eyes a solution would be 30ns for the whole operation.
     
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    Initially it won't be available in consumer products.
    In 2014 Cpus will start to support DDR4.

    So will we ever really get any benefit from this expected at some point in the future improvement for DDR3?
     
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    anyone who's planning on running kaveri will welcome this improvement.... tho i cant imagine they wouldnt want to wait until ddr4 arrives.
     
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    And 0ns would be even better. Impossible, but better. Micron isn't saying it's got rid of tFAW - that's not possible with DDR, it's part of the way it works; what Micron is saying is that it has solved a timing challenge which has previously prevented it, and other DRAM makers, from reducing the tFAW window.
    The same improvement can be used with DDR4, and DDR5, and DDR6... Basically, tFAW is common to all DRAM. Improving the tFAW cycle means improving all DDR, whether it's the original DDR standard or next-next-next-generation DDR6. It just so happens that Micron is only producing DDR3 using the faster tFAW cycle at present, 'cos that's all its customers want. Should Broadcom's next NPU want DDR4, then Micron will make DDR4 with the same reduced-length tFAW cycle.
     
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    Thanks for the post Gareth, good news then I guess :).
     
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    A key point here is that for networking gear and servers, this isn't simply an improvement in possible bandwidth/through put, this is a reduction in latency, which is a good thing.

    I can also see how it could be of benefit to regular consumer computing too, though at least from what I have seen of various tests, there aren't a whole lot of operations that are particularly latency dependent in the consumer sphere. I would think something like iGPUs this could benefit a lot, though there it seems more bandwidth than latency sensitive too.
     
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    What is that character before the F in FAW?
     
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    An italicised, superscript lower-case t: t. Used to signify time as a variable.
     
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    The Broadcom's BCM88030 was announced ages ago... is this just a latency reduction for the chip?
     
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  11. Gareth Halfacree

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    This is a latency reduction in Micron's DDR3 modules, at Broadcom's request and for use with the BCM88030 and other NPUs.
     
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