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Motherboards mini-ITX and Sata 6Gbps

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by urobulos, 13 Jul 2012.

  1. urobulos

    urobulos Minimodder

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    I bought a Bitfenix Prodigy mITX case and for some reason (tired, misclick, stupidity?) bought a mATX Asus board to go with it - an Asus P8H61-M PRO to be exact. Can't return the board since I already removed the wrap. I haven't touched anything inside, just had a look and then realised my mistake when I noticed it seems way bigger than I intended it to be. Not much of a problem , since I planned to do another mATX build in November anyway using the Fractal Design Arc Mini.

    Here's the problem though. I can't seem to find any reasonably priced mITX boards with Sata 6Gbps to go with the 128GB Vertex 4. Right now I'm about to settle on the Asus P8H61-I and call it a day. It sucks a bit that it doesn't have Sata 6Gbps, but at the end of the day it's an upgrade from an ancient Pentium 4 with an IDE HDD, so it's going to be amazing in comparison regardless. The mITX boards I can find which have Sata 6Gbps are from Intel and Zotac and cost 80 and 100 pounds. I don't have any trust in Intel mobos and that Zotac is ridiculously expensive. Not like I can get my hands on any of them I think since I moved back to Poland a few weeks ago and I'm limited to the local shops really. Prices are mostly similar to the ones in UK so if you know of any board that would fit my need around the 60 pound price point then that would be great.

    It seems like H61 mITX just don't support 6Gbps and I don't need and don't want to spend more for an H67 board.
     
  2. Blogins

    Blogins Panda have Guns

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    You can still return it under the Distance Selling Regulations. Read my signature thread.
     
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    MSHunter Minimodder

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    Way to not read the post.

    As Blogins said, return it.
     
  5. GMC

    GMC Minimodder

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    If AMD is an option look at the Asus a75 boards
    I'vw been halfway considering doing an ITX build around one of those myself and think its sata III

    Sent from my HTC Desire HD using Xparent Red Tapatalk 2
     
  6. GeorgeK

    GeorgeK Swinging the banhammer Super Moderator

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    Don't think he'll want to stretch to that. Can you not afford the difference between a H61 & H67 - it's only about £20 more on scan.

    If not then the difference will not be too noticeable for day to day tasks between SATA II & III - I've got a SATA III SSD on a SATA II port :thumb:

    Edit: Ninja'd ;)
     
  7. faugusztin

    faugusztin I *am* the guy with two left hands

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    H61 is H67 without USB3 and SATA3. So no, you won't find H61 boards with Intel SATA3 controller, and any different controller doesn't make sense.

    @urobulos: i am pretty sure you can find AsRock ITX boards there, they are all around 100-130€. H67M-ITX/HT, Z68M-ITX/HT, Z77E-ITX.
     
  8. Teelzebub

    Teelzebub Up yours GOD,Whats best served cold

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    Dont think Scan deliver to Poland :worried:
     
  9. Blogins

    Blogins Panda have Guns

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    Wonder is DPD could hit the 1 hour slot?
     
  10. faugusztin

    faugusztin I *am* the guy with two left hands

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    *in addition to ASRock boards, another option is Asus P8H77-I, around 105 euros.
     
  11. urobulos

    urobulos Minimodder

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    @ Blogins

    Board was bought in Poland, but I'm guessing Distance Selling Regulations apply more or less everywhere in one form or another. I did remove the plastic film in which it was sealed.
    I don't really need to return it though since I will have a use for it relatively soon.



    @ GMC

    Nope, AMD is not an option. Already got a CPU for it, but even if I hadn't then it's still a no :)

    @ GeorgeK

    for mini ITX boards, I can only see the Intel H67 one which is 20 pounds more, like you said, but it's an Intel mobo and I was always led to believe that they are quite shonky. The only other H67 board I can see is 100 pounds and that is way too much

    @ faugusztin

    You wrote that H61 is H67 minus USB 3 and Sata 3, but as far as I can tell Asus P8H61-I has 2 USB 3 ports on it's I/O panel. http://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus...gb-s-pcie-20-(x16)-graphics-on-board-mini-itx

    @ Teelzebub

    I know they don't. I always bought from then while I lived in UK and people on bit-tech know them. The local shop I use has similar prices to them so it's just easier for others to provide a reference point.


    Right now I'm leaning towards buying the mobo I linked above for faugusztin.
     
  12. urobulos

    urobulos Minimodder

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    I ordered the parts from a shop 30km away (Gdynia, Poland) and the case from caseking.de in Berlin. Both arrived on same day.
     
  13. Teelzebub

    Teelzebub Up yours GOD,Whats best served cold

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    Suppose it depends on what depot it is lol
     
  14. faugusztin

    faugusztin I *am* the guy with two left hands

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    To be exact, i meant H77 (not H67). None of the 6-th generation chipsets (H61,H67,Q67,P67,Z68) has native USB3. H77 does have USB3, together with B75, Q77 and Z75/Z77.

    P8H61-I has USB3, yes. Using ASM USB 3.0 controller. Not in the chipset.

    Not like it matters anyway, as H61 doesn't have native Intel SATA3 anyway. You will be stuck with SATA2. So the board you choose doesn't have the features you want. And if you want SATA3, you have to move up to that 100-110e region where you have the H77 ITX board from Asus :
    http://www.nokaut.pl/plyty-glowne/asus-p8h77-i.html (Asus product page)
     
  15. docodine

    docodine killed a guy once

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    For what it's worth, SSDs will still perform quite well on SATA 2
     
  16. urobulos

    urobulos Minimodder

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    So if I understand this right...

    H61-I Sata 2 and USB 3 via the chip Asus bolted onto the board
    H67-I Pro Sata 3 and USB3 thanks to the same solution as above
    H77-I native Sata 3 and USB 3



    This is a P8H77-I and it seems to tick all the boxes. 419,80 PLN
    http://www.net-s.pl/index.php?id=3&ss=7&g=248319&n=P8H77-I-S1155-H77-4DDR3-USB3-RAID-GLAN-miniITX

    and this is a P8H67-I Pro that also seems to have all the features I need and costs 442PLN
    http://www.net-s.pl/index.php?id=3&...DDR3-VGA-support-Mini-ITXbr90-MIBHN0-G0EAY0KZ

    I am leaning towards the P8H77-I.

    The PC is built for office use. I already got the 128 GB Vertex 4, there won't be any other mass storage inside so no need for many Sata ports.
    The G620 is the CPU and it will run on stock with the stock Intel cooler and utilize the integrated GPU.
    2x4GB Corsair XMS3 for memory so 2 Ram slots is fine as I think I'll never have to expand the RAM on this thing.
    What I'm trying to get to is the spacing. The H77-I seems like the better board with more potential for expansion and is slightly cheaper. Thing is I never built a PC using anything this small. Would the system be easier to build using the H67-I Pro since it has fewer slots? I guess I'll have to experiment as I can't find any reviews of mITX boards. It's hard for me to tell which board is easier to build a system with by just looking at the pictures.
     
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  17. faugusztin

    faugusztin I *am* the guy with two left hands

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    P8H77-I is exactly the same size as P8H67-I, the picture on that website is wrong. This is how P8H77-I looks like :
    http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8H77I/

    And it is fine, the only thing you need to care about is the CPU cooler. If you use the boxed cooler, then you won't have any issues, if you use an aftermarket cooler then it can block RAM and/or PCI-E slot.

    P8H77-I is a better choice for few reasons :
    - native USB3
    - standard DDR3 RAM modules (P8H67-I uses laptop SO-DIMM DDR3 modules)
    - it's newer
     
  18. urobulos

    urobulos Minimodder

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    Thank you. That was very helpful. Going to get this board tomorrow morning. Quite excited since I never built anything other than regular ATX (X58UD3R to be exact). I'll post some pics of the finished build tomorrow if all goes well.

    Also, this is the second time I have a mobo related question and you now got it solved for me on both occasions :) Much appreciated.


    Just noticed the picture of the mobo as well >.> AM3 support lol.
     
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  19. faugusztin

    faugusztin I *am* the guy with two left hands

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    Yeah, that board will be just fine, especially for a non-OC CPU like G620 you said. If you don't plan to use any PCI-E card, then you won't have any issue with the CPU coolers either (except if they hit the RAM, which they shouldn't).

    And about that mATX board - you bought it in person or through internet ? If through internet, then your country has distance selling regulations as well and thanks to EU even in Poland you can return item you bought without any reasoning in 7 days after you received the item. Even if you removed the wrap. Worth a try.
     
  20. urobulos

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    Ordered via their website and paid via bank transfer. I'll return it then. I don't have much experience with shopping here, but from what I heard returns are notoriously difficult since most customer service are not familiar with regulations and will just use in-store (illegal) return policies imposed on them by the owner. Will see how it goes.

    I liked the look of the Bitfenix Prodigy in reviews, but seeing it in person now, I'm deeply infatuated. If the build goes well, then the build I have planned for November will be another Prodigy instead of the Arc Mini, so returning it will give me more options come build time.
     

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