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Networks Need more wirleless power!

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by Boswell, 28 Aug 2008.

  1. Boswell

    Boswell Minimodder

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    Ok I have recently moved house and in the process bought the Netgear DG834GT, however I am having some wireless issues –

    My dads study is in one side of the house and my room is in the other - upstairs.

    That should normally just about be ok for wireless; however my dads study is in a newer part of the house (e.g. it’s in an extension), the original walls however were never changed just plastered over (therefore we have an effective outside wall inside our house).

    This means the signal strength is very weak (or an least drops out every now and then) in my dads study, when the router is on my side of the house, and visa versa. We cannot put the router in the middle of the house because there is no phone socket for the broadband there.

    So I am guessing I would need some sort of wireless bridge?! Could someone direct me to a suitable one?

    Also I have heard you can change the firmware of the DG834GT to a 3rd party firmware, would this help? And where do I get it from?

    Thank you in advance :)

    Ed
     
  2. yodasarmpit

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  3. Boswell

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    Thanks, but I forgot to say that I have already bought and attached one of these, it came from America and apparently isn't legal in Europe due to the large amount of wireless strength but it did nothing only made one side of the house that the router was on all excellent in strength - but still couldn't get through this wall :( (I'm on holiday at the moment so I can't give/remember details of it - will be back tomorrow late though!).
     
  4. barry99705

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    Changing the wireless output won't change what's in the walls. Would be easier, and better, to pick up a cheap wifi access point and wire it off one of the ports on the router. You'd have two access points with the same ssid and same encryption (wpa2 if your hardware can handle it, avoid wep like that hooker on the corner) different channels. I've had to set up a few wireless networks in a couple different businesses and schools that have fun stuff in the walls. Put one in a dance studio, did you know mirrors will pretty much kill a wifi signal? Floor to ceiling mirrors over one wall made it interesting. So anyway, let the main router do all it's routing stuff, gateway, dhcp, and have the other access point just be an access point, no routing. Does that make sense??
     
  5. Jabbah

    Jabbah What's a Dremel?

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    Try change wireless channels.
     
  6. badders

    badders Neuken in de Keuken

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    We have one of these, because all our walls seem to be like that. It works quite well actually - it's a bit of a pain to get the settings right, but after a bit of persistence with the Web interface, it works wonderfully.

    Yes, I know the link is to PC world, but I can't find it on the regular e-tailers.
     
  7. Da_Rude_Baboon

    Da_Rude_Baboon What the?

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    If its to connect a desktop PC in a different part of the house instead of wireless you could use the power line network adapters that use your electrical wiring as a network.
     
  8. LordLuciendar

    LordLuciendar meh.

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    Lol... I guess they were silver (or some other metal) backed. My next electrostatic free room will be all mirrors... lol.

    Range expanders can be quite effective, Linksys tends to be a bit less complex in setup, but the idea is the same. The access point suggestion is similar to this. If none of that works, I hate to say it but you probably will need to either get some serious professional hardware, or seek another route like moving the router, phone line wiring, or wiring directly. If you do decide to go with professional hardware Microtik RB433 is a serious piece of hardware. You'll have to buy the case/board/wireless cards/antenna's separately and build it, but you'll have a router the equivalent of a $1500 Cisco box with the ability for up to 3 separate wireless cards (These are what I'de suggest, if you can get them)
     
  9. barry99705

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    Most mirrors are aluminum any more, silver costs too much. A range extender(repeater) might work, and it might not work. You still have to get a signal through the wall, which is the problem in the first place.
     
  10. Boswell

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    ok, thanks for all the input, LordLuciendar what Linksys model are you talking about? Any particular one?

    Thanks

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  11. LordLuciendar

    LordLuciendar meh.

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    The WRE54G, no setup, just plug it in and go. Do you get anything on the other side of the wall at all? Because if not, you might have something serious blocking you, a range expander isn't going to go through a furnace or a solid steel duct.
     
  12. Krikkit

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    Doesn't matter - it's still making a big Faraday cage, just without a top and bottom.
     
  13. cajohnson

    cajohnson What's a Dremel?

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  14. barry99705

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    That's what I'm saying. Every one else is saying range extenders, or amps, it won't matter, cause the signal still won't go through the walls. Amps should never be used unless absolutely necessary. A properly set up wireless network won't need them. Now if you're shooting a point to point link to a buddy's place, you might need it. Throwing an amp on the access point will up the power to whatever the amp is, but you still have the same power radio on the other end. Best way is still to wire in a second access point, or use a power line network device, which some of the newer ones are faster than wifi anyway.
     
  15. LordLuciendar

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    I'm not disagreeing, but you don't know that is the problem. If he gets a signal, just weak, on the other side, then he might be able to boost until the signal goes through. If not, like I told him, he'll need to seek alternatives.
     
  16. Oclocker

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    ok a bridge/range extender may cure it - but only if signal from AP gets through door to extention and extender is carefully positioned in extention to catch the APs signal to resend signal . I have put wireless in areas such as this using cheap equipment - and usually successful.

    Another wifi killer is foil backed plasterboard - this I am in room has it and was dead - I put AP in bedroom above Still dead - weird as wood floors with real wood oak flooring - turns out the oak flooring laid with metallised bubble wrap was killing wifi - by careful positioning of main unit managed to get a signal here but not reliable - so hardwired an AP in here eventually. if its a laptop or one is handy - see what signals like just inside main house by door to extention - then test behind door - near power point ideally - try spinning laptop to see best signal or install netstumbler and if usable signal just inside extention an extender should cure problem. if not then a directional antennae (6dbi £10 approx) may boost signal through door enough for extender to work. So if ya have laptop - install netstumbler and wardrive around your house - you'll probably be surprised where gets good/bad signals..
     
  17. barry99705

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    Yea, I know, a repeater may work, but he said it drops connections some times as well. That's what made me think there's probably metal in the wall, aluminum foil backed foam insulation, hell, the aluminum siding could still be under there if it was sided before. I've seen some strange building configurations setting up networks.
     
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