I love 8.1, it makes 7 seem like an antique. I don't know what you have against onedrive either. I find it awesome to get access to my files if I am at someone else house or something, I don't have to carry around usb sticks anymore. If I really want to, I can even sign in with my own account and get my desktop and all setting and everything. It's much like roaming profiles in enterprise environment. Anyway... if you don't want to use it nothing is forcing you to. If you don't want to use a live account nothing is forcing you to, and the quickest way to not be asked to use one is to install Windows without a network connection as it will automatically default to local account... or you can join a domain if you want to set up a network that way, local accounts only for that too. If you don't want to use any 'metro/modern' apps, then change the default programs. Then, all that is left is the new style start screen... which is actually awesome if you take a few minutes to organize it. As far as 10 goes, all of the above will still be true, but they brought back the dinky older style start menu. I have no idea at all why people prefer that... but different strokes and all.