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News TalkTalk hit by massive security breach

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Gareth Halfacree, 23 Oct 2015.

  1. Porkins' Wingman

    Porkins' Wingman Can't touch this

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    *Insert quote about cowardly people prepared to give up everything in the name of false promises about security here*

    Nowhere is 'safe'; no-one can protect you from everything. Learn to let go peeps.
     
  2. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    Best get rid of those lock on your doors, the seat belts in your car, and all those other things that make life safer, while you're correct in saying no-one can protect you from everything, that's not what anyone is suggesting, the idea is to make things safer, to reduce harm, to reduce risk.

    No door lock offers 100% security, seat belts don't promise 100% safety when you're involved in a crash, nothing can protect you from everything or always keep you safe, but that's not the idea of safety or security, the idea is to reduce the potential for undesirable outcomes.
     
  3. Teelzebub

    Teelzebub Up yours GOD,Whats best served cold

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  4. theshadow2001

    theshadow2001 [DELETE] means [DELETE]

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  5. loftie

    loftie Well-Known Member

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    How does money get taken with partial card numbers, bank account numbers and sort codes? :confused:
     
  6. Anfield

    Anfield Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't, but combine it with Full name, address, d.o.b and all the info people carelessly spread around on social networks, top it off with some good old fashioned social engineering and suddenly the sky is the limit for fraud possibilities.
     
  7. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    This isn't me saying this but i found it interesting that the boss of TalkTalk Dido Harding disagrees with you..
    In another ElReg article they say "while many may have expressed disgust with Harding's off-colour remarks, it should be noted that current UK data regulations are pretty vague."

    I'm not disagreeing or disputing your interpretation of the legal responsibilities and requirements placed on firms like TalkTalk by the DPA, i just wanted to raise awareness that it seems Baroness Harding is playing the no legal requirement to encrypt stuff card. :miffed:

    I don't pretend to understand the legalities involved with acts of parliament, maybe like you said we just need better enforcement, maybe we need something more concrete that forces companies to encrypt personal data or at least make the legal responsibilities and requirements less vague.
     
  8. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Staff Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

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    No, she doesn't disagree with me. The Data Protection Act, as quoted, requires that "appropriate technical and organisational measures" are taken to safeguard user's data. The Act does not mandate encryption, and neither did I claim it did: the ICO guidelines include encryption as one of many "appropriate technical measures," but it's not required.

    That said, expect to see ICO fining TalkTalk in the future over this, 'cos unless they had other "appropriate technical measures" in place (which they clearly didn't, 'cos they wuz breached) then choosing not to use encryption just because the Act doesn't say "encryption" will be sorely frowned upon.
     
  9. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    We must have gotten our wires crossed then as when i said it would be nice to see some kind of law or something that says ALL personal details must be stored in an encrypted format and you replied by saying that would be the DPA i just assumed you meant the DPA mandated encryption of personal details.
     
  10. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Staff Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

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    That's my fault - I was simply meaning that the law that deals with data protection is the Data Protection Act, not that it specifically mandated encryption (although it could be easily argued that encryption is an "appropriate technical measure" and therefore a requirement, even if encryption itself isn't mentioned in the Act.)
     
  11. ObsCure

    ObsCure New Member

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    Why I am finding out about this from BitTech? TalkTalk has my email address, goes straight to my phone. They never fail to send my bill for the month. But a quick courtesy email mentioning that my bank details could be out there.. What a bunch @*$%+. Probably too busy making new adds for the website to make it even slower then it already is.
     
  12. Cerberus90

    Cerberus90 Car Spannerer

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    So a 15 year old from Northern Ireland has been arrested as part of the investigation. If that doesn't prove that TalkTalk's security is woefully inadequate then I don't know what will, :D
     
  13. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    I was a bit surprised at first that it was a 15 year old, after the initial surprise wore off i guessed at it being a fairly easy thing to do, depending on the type of online world someone frequents.

    It seems more a case of a 15 year olds hubris mixed with commonly available knowledge.
     
  14. theshadow2001

    theshadow2001 [DELETE] means [DELETE]

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    Even if he was just a script kiddie, the breach still requires some level of interest and determination. A shame those attributes weren't discovered and focused more productively.

    Regardless, if found guilty, he deserves whatever is coming to him.
     
  15. thom804

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    Which will probably be about 2 months in a young offenders institute and a slap on the wrist.
     
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    Likely scenario:

    >> Haxor scripto-kid 2015, mingle in hax forums, got known, got big headed.
    >> Bragging n ****.
    >> Can hack anything
    >> OnlineMafia appears "Hey kid, can hax this? talktalkbb.com"
    >> offered some elite pokemon ****. take it. damn sweet.
    >> Never heard of talktalkbb.com before, but looks easy, sure do it.
    >> Told OnlineMafia that it's done, FTP all the database, that was easy.
    >> Knocking on door, "LOL mate, is police, on floor or kill"
    >> mfw.


    It's very unlikely this underdeveloped yet bright lad had the mental fortitude/maturity to single handedly orchestrate the operation and abscond with the data.
    It was designed to purposefully damage TTbb, or to enable vast identity fraud.
    This is not something in the scope of a 15 year olds mind set. Back then for me it was all about tagging the index, or dropping a text doc as a marker, nothing more.

    This shouldn't be and hopefuly isn't the closure of the case.
     
  17. Porkins' Wingman

    Porkins' Wingman Can't touch this

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    I've had 2 emails about it from TT.
     
  18. thom804

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    You'd be surprised at how large companies, even with automated systems, screw up.

    Example: Ordered my new router for a handling fee from Virgin media so I could receive the 'free' broadband upgrade to 152meg. Got the email that they had confirmed the booking, and was told I would receive another to confirm delivery of the router. Nothing received before the delivery day, so I got in contact on Virgin's livechat thing. Turns out they had completely lost the order, Christ knows how.

    Long story short, these companies do lose the ability to communicate, even automatically, from time to time.
     
  19. ObsCure

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    I got my bill for the month. Nothing about stollen data.
     
  20. Porkins' Wingman

    Porkins' Wingman Can't touch this

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    Man, I would be such a fat ******* if I was getting emails about about stollen data, I just can't resist stollen, ****ing love the stuff.

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