Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by bit-tech, 21 Aug 2018.
This is BS. As a Twitch prime user it's one of the main benefits of my subscription. Looks like it might be back to uBlock.
I'm a Twitch Prime user, 'cos I'm an Amazon Prime user. In the time I've had a Twitch Prime membership, I have: received a bunch of games I can't install 'cos the Twitch client is Windows-only; received a bunch of in-game items for games I don't own; and watched precisely zero streams. I'm annoyed on behalf of people who do actually watch streams on Twitch, but I ain't losing any sleep over it.
With YouTube pushing its game streaming, and steam.tv on the horizon, combined with us being a fickle lot, this seems like a pretty bad idea...
I signed up for Amazon Prime Video because of the free sub and ad-free twitch. There is not much on Amazon Prime Video itself for me to consider it alone. So Twitch Prime lost half of the features i signed up for. Considering after initial 6 month period Prime Video goes to 5.99 euros, i am not keeping it, as a direct sub would be cheaper than Prime Video sub.
Yeah... twitch is big. But I don't think it's too big to fall (yet).
I regularly stream Quake Champions tournaments which so far are twitch-only. But already some Russian streams used YT or FB. And the QuakeCon keynote was streamed on twitch, YT, FB, and mixer. Add steam.tv to that and you have enough alternatives to twitch for that move to look really bad. Also... doesn't VK have a streaming service as well? That'd be Russia covered, then.
My goodness, the drama!
You pay £8/month for Amazon Prime (ish). Movies/TV shows, next day delivery (mostly), a free Twitch channel sub ("worth a fiver"). They've removed the ad free bit. Hardly the end of the world!?
I know Twitch has diversified over the months/years, but I'm still trying to figure out the appeal of sitting in front of a screen, watching somebody else play games and chat ****.
The idea of donating to these people so they can "stream for a living" is even more bizarre.
But I do love watching the AGDQ events - purely for the skill demonstrated and the insight into the mechanics.
It is when you watch a wide variety of streams such as myself and I don't use Prime movies or TV. So for me it degrades my experience.
Why do people watch sports instead of playing them?
But you bought AMAZON Prime. It's a perk of that.
I can understand if you bought TWITCH Prime and they removed it. Otherwise...not understanding.
Because they don't have a football pitch in their back garden? Or access to tennis courts/gold course/race track/a horse? Or are in a wheelchair? Or are socially awkward? Or are just lazy?
But I wasn't going to buy Amazon/Twitch prime until advert free streaming was implemented.
Not everyone has a good computer they can play new games on. Same logic applies.
Or, y'know, because watching people at peak performance in a given event is an enjoyable experience. Lots of people drive, but they still watch Formula 1; lots of people have a kick-about in the park, but they still watch the World Cup; lots of people drink heavily, but they still watch darts. Hence, lots of people play Insert Game Here, but they'll still watch someone significantly better than them play it.
That's even before you account for entertainment value: streamers that aren't actually any good at the games they play might still be fun to watch 'cos they're funny. Hell, Mystery Science Theatre 3000 and Rifftrax made an entire genre out of, effectively, watching people watch films and make funny comments; is it so hard to imagine that people might want to watch people play games and make funny comments?
Hey, i'm not knocking it - I did say in my comment "I'm still trying to figure out the appeal". There's all kinds of ways people like to waste their time, makes no odds to me. I was just giving some examples of why people would prefer to watch sports than participate - that's much easier to figure out for me, obviously.
Maybe it's because I get such little time to actually play games myself, I probably just envy those people that have the free time (or lack of responsibilities) to actually dedicate enough time to following streamers to put their money into it?
But none of those are the main reason. Like I say, there's nothing stopping anyone with a driving licence (or anyone without one, for that matter, given it's a closed track) from booking a track day at Brands Hatch, but far more people enjoy watching an expert driver strutting his stuff on the tellybox than would enjoy completely failing to complete a Brands Hatch circuit without spinning off the track.
Watching people do a thing and doing the thing yourself are not intrinsically linked; people may well have no interest in doing the thing but still enjoy watching other people do it. I have no interest in playing Angry Man Shooter 27: This Time It's Personal, but if you told me someone was about to break a world record by completing it in three and a half minutes I might spare the time to see history being made.
Yeah but there is, though? I would love to go go-karting every weekend, but even if I did have the free time, it would bankrupt me... And that's without considering the last time I did more than 30 mins in a kart, my knees got knocked about so bad I couldn't walk the next day.
If you're already a gamer, own a PC, and have games, then there's nothing stopping you from playing games instead of watching them. If I owned Brands Hatch, had access to a stable
of cars that I didn't have to consider the mechanical life of and a warehouse full of spare tires - then there'd be nothing stopping me.
And yes, I know not everyone has PC that is capable of playing games, but lets be realistic here - we all know the majority of Twitch audience are card-carrying "gamers", with access to a console or PC of some use. Whereas a vast majority of F1 fans have 1 car that has to be kept mechanically sound for the daily commute and school run...
And here, I believe, is the core misunderstanding: people aren't watching "a PC game," they're watching a particular player. Like, why pay for Sky Sports to watch I Dunno Insert Your Favourite Football Team Here Everton or Whatever FC when you could just go down the park and watch the local U16s have a match? You're watching football either way, so it's the same thing, right?
OK, this argument I can understand more. I guess it's more like watching your favourite band (and paying the premium for the good tickets and journey to the venue), rather than whatever band is playing at the local that weekend.
Maybe I just haven't found a streamer that I wouldn't rather punch in the face than subscribe to.
Exactly this. Playing my guitar is fun; watching a local band be better at guitar than I am is funner; going to see Eric Clapton be absolutely amazing on guitar is funnest (or it was, until I found out the guy was a grade-A racialist. The tit.)
Watching people Be Amazing At Something is always fun, whether that something is football, motor racing, or Call of Battlefield 1984: Big Brother's Big Gun.
Yeah, like I say, I don't watch any streams 'cos the popular personalities are... not to my taste. I did watch a few Markiplier videos on YouTube a while back: he plays jumpscare-style games and has amusing (though doubtless exaggerated) reactions, which kept me entertained for a handful of minutes while I was waiting for some software to compile. It was fun (because entertainment, not because amazing.)
I'd buy it.
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