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News US, UK, Australia warn Facebook against end-to-end encryption

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by bit-tech, 4 Oct 2019.

  1. bit-tech

    bit-tech Supreme Overlord Staff Administrator

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  2. jb0

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    I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I miss the days when we pilloried the Soviet Union for eavesdropping on its citizens, and shouted loudly about how the right to privacy was sacred and violating it was a sure sign of corruption and villainy.
     
  3. Chicken76

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    A 'to' too many?

    To me, that plan to implement end-to-end encryption by Facebook is just an attempt to curb the hate against them. They will never give up the ability to spy on their users. It's their raison d'être.
     
  4. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    If they introduced end-to-end encryption they wouldn't be able to spy on their users though, would they?
     
  5. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Staff Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

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    Two to? "To" too many.

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    Fixed, ta!
     
  6. Jeff Hine

    Jeff Hine Nothing special

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    I think one of the points I saw against this implementation was legal systems not being able to monitor abhorrent/deviant activity that has criminal repercussions, where FB would be facilitating them by allowing these levels of encryption.
     
  7. Fingers66

    Fingers66 Kiwi in London

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    Of course they would, they own the route between the users so can sniff away to their hearts content. You didn't think it would be TRUE end to end encryption did you? Despite all the marketing BS about it being end user to end user encryption, I think we can almost guarantee that Farcebook will be sniffing the messages because, well... they can.

    As said above, snooping on their users is the reason for their existence in the first place, they are in the ad & data hoovering business like Google.
     
  8. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Staff Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

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    I can absolutely assure you that WhatsApp uses true end-to-end encryption. The Signal protocol, in fact.

    'course, Facebook can still spy on your messages 'cos it also controls both endpoints... and, last I checked, the default setting on WhatsApp was to upload plaintext versions of your entire message and media history to Google for "backup" purposes. But still, it's definitely end-to-end encrypted.
     
  9. Fingers66

    Fingers66 Kiwi in London

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    The point is that Farcebook control both endpoints so yes, they will snoop on users. It also means that US authorities have a means to request, with a court order, the messages. All this crying wolf by governments is pointless posturing.
     
  10. Jeff Hine

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    Makes you wonder if those complaining about encryption are the ones that are likely to be getting locked out of stuff that the encryption would otherwise prohibit them from... enjoying. o_O
     
  11. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    ...again.
     
  12. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    You mean like checking my bank balance online, buying stuff online, paying bills without using snail mail, and generally using the internet. ;)
     
  13. perplekks45

    perplekks45 LIKE AN ANIMAL!

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    Exactly, they'd need a court order. That's not always easy to get and might take longer than they want. It's getting more and more expensive to spy on us.
     
  14. Jeff Hine

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    Not... quite the kind of activities I alluded to; IYKWIM. ;)
     
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