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News Vodafone HSPA+ trials hit 16Mb/s

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  1. CardJoe

    CardJoe Freelance Journalist

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  2. Paradigm Shifter

    Paradigm Shifter de nihilo nihil fit

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    That's faster than my broadband hardline! :hehe:

    Quite neat, really... if they can get the data costs down, it'd be more useful.
     
  3. kenco_uk

    kenco_uk I unsuccessfully then tried again

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    I'd better get my tin hat.

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    No internets here, kthxbi.
     
  4. wharrad

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    It's slowly on it's way. Mobile broadband is the future in this country - if only for the lack of cost upgrading the final mile. BT better get moving on fibre to the home or the mobile people will just buy a shiny box to put under their mast and upgrade everyone for cheap.

    No mention of upload though, or the backhaul. Upload's the key once you hit the 10meg range really and there's no point having a 16meg connection if they only put 3.5meg ADSL line to the mast which is being shared by maybe 10 others.
     
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  5. Gremlin

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    As fast as Telstra's 'Next G' Network is they still arse rape you on the data charges something fierce and thats even compared to how badly they rape you on the charges for normal cable/ADSL broadband

    At least you lot will probably end up with some unlimited data plan along the line , we will not see any useful limit for a long LONG time
     
  6. Jordan Wise

    Jordan Wise Baby called to see the boss...

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    3g still occasionally drops connection though so they better iron that out if mobile broadband will ever replace wired
     
  7. Jipa

    Jipa Avoiding the "I guess.." since 2004

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    Yay another way to bust the transfer limit...
     
  8. LAGMonkey

    LAGMonkey Group 7 error

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    good news for the UK, although im sure there will be some silly little cap on it as to how much you can download.

    For me its not global enough. Im fed up with roaming charges etc so im looking into a Sat Phone or better yet.... BGAN from Inmarsat

    (Thats Broadband Global Area Network)
     
  9. TomH

    TomH And like that... he was gone.

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    The mobile telcos will never be able to compete with DSL-based services (or even Virgin's cable service for that matter) until they stop NAT'ing users, running them through proxies or restrict them to 2 year contracts and ridiculous data allowances.

    Keeping a decent backhaul from the BSSs is the least of their problems right now.

    The closest FTTH access you're likely to get, is the Bournemouth/Dundee sewer-based network. That's the one to watch.
     
  10. Cupboard

    Cupboard I'm not a modder.

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    Unfortunately that is no good for last mile services, as most people living far enough from civilisation for decent broadband to be unavailable aren't going to be on mains sewage.
     
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    Yeah, knowing UK ISPs you will get a 2GB/month cap or a "fair use policy" which is basically the same. And an incredible 68 times/hour connection dropping average, lol. Oh, don't forget one thing - "up to 16 Mb/s" in UK usually means "just a bit faster than analogue modem or maybe ISDN line if you're lucky."
     
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    I don't care about the speed, I care about the price. It's useless when it costs ten times as much as wired service.
     
  13. perplekks45

    perplekks45 LIKE AN ANIMAL!

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    Seeing what my mobile broadband from 3 achieves... download peak of 185 kB/s isn't too bad, I'd say. Then again upload peak of 5 kB/s sucks. Oh, and don't think about getting it for cheap either! 1 GB = 10£, 3 GB = 15£, 7 GB = 25£. Pay as you go, that is.
    As mentioned before: Solve the upload problems and lower the prices, down speed is not the main issue!
     
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    Unfortunately living where I am, those networks will never come near, well, not until my children are old enough for PCs anyway :) (And that's just LLU, forget fibre goodness).

    But the point here is that NAT, port blocking, proxies and contracts. All these things are nothing compared to the task of running fibre to every house in the country. Most of this problems can be overcome just by a simple policy change.
     
  15. TomH

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    Actually, it's perfect for last mile services. Your definition of 'last mile' is inaccurate. Example: in the DSL world, the last mile would be synonymous with the local loop. It is not a measure of distance, nor reference to the more extreme line lengths that may be out of reach by DSL systems.

    However, you do have a point in that the FTTH roll-out isn't good for rural areas. But guess what: there's about as much chance as FTTH to my parents farm, as there is HSPA+. You currently don't get anything more than GPRS! As it stands, their only hope for something over the 1Mbit ADSL sync that they enjoy now, is a 2-way Satellite connection. The sad truth is that I was probably only person in 100 people that actually cared about fast Internet access in those places.

    As it stands, the FTTH networks being rolled out in Bournemouth/Dundee are really exciting: it's not locked to one provider, the fibre installation is free, and there's an almost infinite amount of bandwidth available. Currently it's only 100Mbit (symmetrically - probably 100BASE-FX) but there should be no issue with upgrading the network transceivers for Gigabit in ~5 years, 10G in ~10 years, etc. :)

    What's wrong with rural users setting-up directional wireless antenna links to a building with an FTTH backbone? It's very, very cool, and long over-due in this country. Good luck to them! Hopefully it'll force Virgin to re-think their service quality: competition is good.

    As above, regarding your first point. If there isn't demand, it's unlikely to be any commercial interest. My parents are a perfect example of what happens in these areas. Yeah, you're unlikely to get FTTH in the next decade (or at all) but you're also unlikely to get HSPA+ anytime soon. LLU, Cable... Same story.

    As for a change of policies, yes, absolutely correct; that is all it takes (ignoring the technical infrastructure changes, of course) but the real challenge is educating these mobile companies on how to run a decent ISP. At the minute they're offering a half-arsed service, and laughing themselves silly at how much money they're making out of it. It's sickening, really.
     
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