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Build Advice X99 or Z170

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by Kronos, 5 Sep 2015.

  1. Kronos

    Kronos Multimodder

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  2. theshadow2001

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    Z170 for gamers. Do you have any workloads that benefits from having more threads? Also that post suggesting x99 makes no sense to me.
     
  3. Kronos

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    Nor me but I thought I would pose the question. His comment on the RAM was odd to say the least.
    And yes I game which for the build will be it's main purpose, so I will stay with X170.
     
  4. roosauce

    roosauce Looking for xmas projects??

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    Yep - Z170 & i5 for pure value-oriented gaming workloads. X99 for heavy multithreading (e.g. video editing) and if you need a STACK of RAM for some reason ... or if you're loaded and want to do it for fun.

    You can go H170 but then there's no overclocking, and a few other restrictions, so it doesn't make a lot of sense.

    For those wanting to spend a bit more - the 5820k (Haswell Enthusiast) is actually pretty close in price to the i7-6700k (Skylake), and you get a full 6 cores with the 5820k. That's what he was getting at. Not much gaming benefit right now but that's one of the reasonable paths for higher budgets, depending on use cases.

    His RAM note seems to be related to Corsair dominator platinums, which are hand-selected (read: expensive) modules. It's a fair comment in isolation, but I couldn't see any reference to dominator platinums in the thread. You did edit the RAM selection at one point?

    I can't think of an X99 mATX board right now. I seem to remember reading about such a thing, but if they exist then they are super rare.
     
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  5. atc95

    atc95 I have the upgrade bug!

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    Looking at prices, I would say the i7 6700k is a bit lost in the market. The 5820k is slightly cheaper, ram is more or less the same and the motherboards for skylake are cheaper meaning the 5820k is only about £50 more expensive for a full upgrade. I would say it is also far more futureproof than skylake.

    Gigabyte X99m, Asrock X99 extreme 4 micro, EVGA micro, Asrock fatal1ty x99m... There are quite a few!
     
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  6. theshadow2001

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    Technically broadwell is better for gaming than either of them thanks to the edram
     
  7. Kronos

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    Damn may need to revise my plans then and have a look at a X99 setup
     
  8. roosauce

    roosauce Looking for xmas projects??

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    I happily stand corrected :)

    I guess in this OP's case it's a moot point as the target is 6600k, but it sure is weird having these chipsets & CPUs so close.
     
  9. roosauce

    roosauce Looking for xmas projects??

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    It would cost more. At least £100 more, but could go well beyond when you make sure you have all of the modern features on X99, probably.

    (sent on the move)
     
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    Holy crap - they make them in mini-ITX too!
     
  11. TheMadDutchDude

    TheMadDutchDude The Flying Dutchman

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    That they do. It isn't a bad overclocker either given its size. :D

    I'd probably say to go down the X99 route as you get more bang for your buck.

    Also, that statement about Broadwell being better is purely if you're using on-board graphics. EDRAM has no effect on discrete graphics cards.
     
  12. Kronos

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    Thanks all I will do a bit of research and try and decide which route to go.
    No rush as SHMBO has her eyes set on another couple of rooms fully refurbished, so it will be the end of the year before I can seriously look at a new build.
     
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    Ouch the prices of M-ATX X99 mobos are pretty steep. Maybe to steep.
     
  14. roosauce

    roosauce Looking for xmas projects??

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    Yeah ... The other obvious option for you, for a bit more power without the other complications, is a 6700k. That will just give you hyperthreading- not much gaming benefit but certainly a bit more zoom for heavier workloads. That's something like £100 more from memory, but you don't need to change anything else.
     
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    Sorry do not understand your post. I am looking at mobo's at the moment. And my rig will be mainly used for gaming.
     
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    roosauce Looking for xmas projects??

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    You mentioned that the X99 boards were more expensive.

    Your value gaming choice is 6600k + z170, no question.

    Next step beyond that if you want to spend more are either:

    X99 + 5820k OR
    Z170 + 6700k

    The latter choice will probably be the cheaper next step, and would just slot into the Z170 board you've already had your eye on.

    Based on your two threads I'm guessing that you should just stick with Z170 + i5, or stretch to Z170 + 6700k ...
     
  17. Kronos

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    Thanks got you now.
     
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    [​IMG]

    [QUOTE ]The gaming plot tells a similar story, but here, the 6700K is in the running for the fastest gaming CPU on the planet—and it would've won, too, if it weren't for the pesky Broadwell 5775C and its magic L4 cache. The 6700K improves on the 4790K by a tad, but the 5775C upstages it with a freakish string of gaming performance wins, even though its prevailing clock speed is ~500MHz lower.[/QUOTE]

    http://techreport.com/review/28751/intel-core-i7-6700k-skylake-processor-reviewed/14

    It was reviewed along with a 980
     
  19. Kronos

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    Far to technical for me.
     
  20. theshadow2001

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    In essence it means that when using a separate graphics card a broadwell cpu offers smoother animation in games when compared to Skylake by a very small but measurable amount.

    The difference is small enough that it's probably not worth getting broadwell over skylake. The point of my post is that the difference is there and it applies to discrete graphics
     

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