News HP switches to Windows 7 'by popular demand'

So there has been no innovation apart from that major bit of innovation, which we can discount because nobody wanted it. And Windows 8 / 8.1 have a lot more to them then the metro interface, but we can dicount all that. Also Windows Phone which is pretty good and innovative in its own right, late to the game maybe, but perfect for the majority of phone users.

I would disagree here. OS development needs to take an evolution rather than revolution development cycle, this is because companies need LTS because they don't want to be training staff and purchasing new licences/machines, more than they absolutely have to. If you had a company you wouldn't move to Win8 purely for the fact that you would lose so many man hours to people learning the new ways to do everything. Also people will use at home what they've learned/know from work.

Your obviously doing it wrong!

Oh and I use Win7, Ubuntu and Android in case you think I'm some sort of fanboi.

 

Darn tootin we can

Seriously though when people roll out this innovation label what is it they are expecting ?
Are we talking about technical innovations? as all i ever see is people talking about the Metro GUI and while it could be argued that is innovative in its own right what else does 8.x bring to the table.

Sure we get a new version of DirectX with next to no advantage over older versions, we get built in support for USB3 but who cares about saving an extra 5min during the install of Windows?
So if someone doesn't like the Metro GUI what reason would they have to upgrade ?

Glad i wasn't the only one to think it seemed odd not to notice a difference going from XP on rust to 7 on silicon, like you said obviously something is wrong, or it's the worlds slowest SSD

 

If that is the case, how come tablets? Oh, look: a computer that does not have a desktop with windows, does not have a mechanical keyboard and mouse. Innovation, right there.

In the olden days, when you wanted to tell a story or convey information, you used books. With illustrations if you wanted to be creative. It's a good method, still in use today. And then audio recordings came along, and then film. And eventually, the computer; and lo: stories and information became interactive. And recently, books have evolved into e-reader tablets.

I would also disagree that "nobody wants Windows 8". On this forum (a humble poll, but nonetheless) 49% of people like it. Many critics haven't even tried it. What many fail to recall is what Windows 1.0 was like --they're too young to remember. They merely adopted computers. I grew up with them.. I did not see the first GUI (Apple Lisa) until I was already a man. Trust me: Windows 1.0 was rough. Windows 95 was rough. Windows 7, good as it is, took more than a decade to refine.

 

Im just giving windows 8.1 its second chance just now. Ive a feeling I could be back to 7 like you

 

OK i guess they would count as technical innovations, yes ?

The thing is if i was trying to sell someone on the idea of upgrading to 8.x and told them they can render text up to %336 faster, I'm guessing most people would say they never found text-rendering performance to be slow on older version.
The File History backup feature (afaik) is Microsoft talk for making the previous versions feature in older Windows simpler to use and (iirc) switched on by default so it simple for non computer literate people to use.

ReFS is good IMHO, but then the caveats make it all but pointless for the vast majority of people. The reduced memory footprint is also nice but in this day and age when RAM is so cheap and typical system come with over 4GB it again leaves a person asking why bother.
Storage spaces is nice, but it seems like it's aimed more at the enterprise market than consumers.

The thing is all these innovations seem to either be an improvement on what already existed in previous versions of Windows or things that your average consumer will either not care about or not even notice.
On the other hand the list of removed features you mention are possibly features that people do notice along with the new flat look and Metro.

 

Switched to 8.1 from 7 a couple of months ago (after only switching to 7 a couple of years before that).

I don't really get the hate, you can use it just like you do 7, but with a nice difference. It's quicker.

I guess there may be software compatability issues, but I've not really found any that I can think of.

I was a big fan of XP, only switched eventually due to getting a free key for W7, slowly I began to like the new features (such as the search bar in the start menu being a very handy tool). The jump to W8 isn't big, unless you use the 'apps' I guess, which I don't like, so I don't use them, I just get the normal programs like I would on 7.

 

Ahh OK, so it seems my idea of what is innovative is different from the actual meaning
Am i the only one that considered to innovate was to come up with some great new way of doing things ?

 

So i guess its a matter of degrees and how each person interprets the changes, after all i don't think the increase in 2D rendering to be an innovation as i would guess most people don't have experience of it being to slow in previous versions of Windows.

And forget the spork really innovative people use a Spife

 

But my point is who is saying what is better or an improvement, i don't care that my car is more reliability or efficient but i would care if we finally got flying cars.

Yes something may be very innovative but if that new and better way of doing things has little effect on people it means very little to them. Going back to my original point, of when people roll out this innovation label what are the expecting and SexyHyde's comment of...

While 8.x may have innovations, to the vast majority of people they go unnoticed as they have little use for them. In other words as SexyHyde said "we can discount because nobody wanted it"

 

Greetings!

As I posted somewhere else in this forum, people only perceive as improvements the Task and File Manager. All other "under the hood" improvements is lost to them.

 

As ive said elsewhere, On newer Gpus or those using SLI and Cfx there is at least a 10% free performance boost from just using windows 8.1

On my own system I gained about 15% performance across most of the games I play on it.

That alone is reason to upgrade, You can disable the metro if you like and be done with it.

Quick edit and if your using AMD cpus or APUs you must buy windows 8.

 

You seem to be getting hung up on the black and white definition or meaning of the words.

Despite repeated attempt to explain that if an innovation, change or improvement doesn't affect the user it may as well not exist, it seem i have failed to clarifying what i originally said about "Seriously though when people roll out this innovation label what is it they are expecting ?"

From what i can tell you see the innovation label as the slightest positive change to something no matter how small or unnoticeable it is.

Sarcastic or not doesn't really matter, as i have repeatedly tried to explain if an innovation isn't relevant to people it is exactly as SexyHyde sarcastically or not said "discounted because nobody wanted it"

 

No more winxp and soon win7..

 

indeed /sarcasm was missing from end of code.

I'm going to have to say your wrong about innovation, but its not really your fault.

A long time ago people and companies innovated and no one really noticed any of it. Sometimes things got better, sometimes they "changed" but no one really knew what had exactly changed and other times they just cost more or less. Then Apple came along and changed innovation (I think Apple may have created innovation or at least patented it first). To innovate became cool/different/better/exclusive. It was always bigger and better and you shouted it loud and everyone wanted it. People got envious. Shares in the stock market rocketed. THIS IS INNOVATION (to be read in a 300 / this is sparta voice). Only it wasn't. It was marketing and advertising.

 

Isn't that akin to saying the Spork was not innovative because I always use chopsticks?