News Microsoft Surface Pro 2 gets sneaky CPU upgrade

So when a customer takes their Surface Pro 2 back because Microsoft's firmware update bricked it and it gets it exchanged for a Surface Pro 2.5 that's OK ? But if you do something that warrants an exchange that's not ? And i didn't claim its false advertising changing spec A for spec B, i merely pointed out Microsoft has been sued for false advertising in the past so they aren't exactly the saints most people make them out as.

And one was sold as the galaxy S3 3G, and the other sold as the galaxy S3 4G so people knew what they were buying.

And when new hardware comes out its given a new name so people know what they are buying and are not paying their money for a lucky dip.

As explained above i didn't claim the false advertising was specific to the change of specs, merely that Microsoft is far from the saints people like to proclaim

 

Never mind.. I got confused with the CPU model of these ThinkPad Yoga . Well if Lenovo doesn't have it , nor does Dell, nor does HP, and all opt to get Atom or Core i series without these features, even in the business line, it means that there is most likely no market for it. I mean you think that at least 1 would get it... well you have Dell... but Dell is wants the Ultra Low voltage model, as it uses a fanless design tablet.

I believe I didn't convey my point properly. My point was that I don't see that these features were a decision making one when buying the Surface Pro 2. And if it was.. then it was probably down the list... as you would opt for an ultrabook instead, or wait for the Dell Venue Pro 11, or some other product.

 

My apologies, I miss understood your post.. didn't get my breakfast when I answered.
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Model number of the thinkPad does exists:
http://shop.lenovo.com/ca/en/laptops/thinkpad/yoga-series/yoga/
I thought it had a different Core i5 CPU.

All Ultra Voltage Core i5 have these features, Dell is getting that as the tablet uses a fanless design. So, it will have these features.

The reason why Microsoft switch is unknown for certain... at least not yet. But what I can assume, as the the 4300U is the same price, and released AFTER the Surface Pro 2 development stage, it could be that Intel is discontinued the 4200U (the other OEMs probably did a mass order already, while Microsoft is keeping it's warehouses empty, to avoid what happened with the Surface gen 1 line of products), or it could be a demand thing.. Intel is not pushing them out fast enough, as other are using it, so Microsoft switch the CPU to the 4300U which no one or few are using... so Intel can deliver to Microsoft.

 

Good to see Gareth has chilled out for 2014

 

I corrected myself, as I reported what I was testing from my Surface Pro 2. I am not doing testing like this as a career, or hobby. I went as I go, after further thinking and testing, I corrected myself. Take the info as is. Feel free to do more in depth testing and perhaps more properly than I did.

And by 'nobody' and I meant in a generalized way... in life they are always exceptions... so calm down. I am sure you'll find some one that loves monochrome (green and black) CRT monitor, budget class, where it flickers like no tomorrow, and push how its far superior of any monitor released afterwards.

 

If you deliberately do something that warrants an exchange, it is not.

Microsoft has an obligation to sell you a working product. If the company borks it by one of their firmware updates (which we can assume is not deliberate, BTW), then they have an obligation to fix it or substitute it with a working model. Microsoft does not have an obligation to fix or replace your product if it gets broken by mistreatment or neglect on your part. That is your responsibility.

But they are not. They are buying a product with advertised spec. If that spec is uprated somewhere along the way, that is a bonus, but the other costumers were not short-changed --they got exactly what they thought they were buying.

Products undergo revisions all the time. A lot of those revisions may be improvements and removals of flaws and weaknesses that became apparent only during use over time. Most of these revisions we never even find out about.

 

You did.

I was talking about the Dell choosing Ultra Low Voltage CPU.

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Any chance of an official line from Intel on the switch Gareth? We may have assumed it was Microsoft's doing but it could have just been offered on a plate by Intel, if there was some kind of underlying problem with the chip?

 

Yea because the world is full of honest, moral people and company's isn't it
Like politicians claiming for expenses they ain't entitled to, or company's avoiding taxes, or bankers fixing interest rates.

Well in fact they don't mention anything concerning a botched firmware update, well unless you count that as "materials or workmanship"

Well they may have got exactly what they thought they were buying, but that doesn't mean they will be happy to know their 2 month old tablet is slower than ones you can buy now, and doesn't come with TSX, vPro, TXT and VT-d.
And while you are correct in saying products undergo revisions all the time, most of the time this is as you say to fix problems found over extended use and not to add new features such as what has happen with the Surface Pro 2.5

 

If you buy what you need, then the marginal performance boost should not be a problem.
And, as the missing features, well you should know about that, before hand.

New firmware coming up Jan 14, but nothing official, yet.
Every company makes mistakes. It's never acceptable, they don't do this on purpose... they have no gains from doing this.

 

That's pathetic. You name two widely publicised acts of criminality, that people have gone to prison for, and then suggest that because that happens it's ok to commit other fraud.

It's like when chavs claim for whiplash - it seems like a victimless crime to them, but the end result of so many people doing it is that car insurance costs go up to compensate.

 

So you have never heard of lead by example then.
If big company's and public figures can commit large scale fraud for billions is it any wonder people think its OK ?

Maybe in this perfect world you live in all the politicians, bankers and tax avoidance (perfectly legal BTW) have been locked up. But sadly in the real world that the rest of us live in very few have served a custodial sentence.

 

is it possible they wanted the i5-4300u originally, but due to supply issues had to go for the 4200u to get to market? both processors were released q3. and anyway, don't Microsoft state that specification may change from time to time