E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

The reason so many food companies receive so much money is that subsidies and import controls make sugar three times the price it is on the world market and dairy products twice as expensive. To compensate for the higher prices that result from European Union protectionism, companies that export outside the EU are entitled to apply for export refunds that cover the difference between the prices at which they buy and sell.

As for farmers, they get 60% of their income from subsidies; let's see if a hardliner Tory government will still maintain that.

 

Is your PM? Is your House of Lords?

 

Howay Brendan!!!!

 

Feel free to answer my questions.

 

Nope, most average farms get around £11000 a year mine included, that figure is scewed by large landowners and estates who don't actually do that much farming.

To put that in perspective a decent cow costs around about £2000
A tractor £60 000
Land ££££

I can tell you its definatly nowhere near 60%

It really should be called Land subsidy instead, I bet quite a lot of it goes to tories as well.

 

Farage, a politician funded by the EU, from a party funded by the EU, ranting in a building part-funded by the EU, in an area reliant on EU funding due to local/central government incompetence and indifference. Ranting about how terrible the EU is.

A man who despite his ranting about fishing quotas harming the UK did precisely **** all about it when he has the chance... You know... when he was on the ****ing EU fisheries committee... He didn't even try to fight the UK corner, he just ****ed off to the pub on the EU's dime, which he delights in making out is our dime.


The bottom of the Mariana Trench isn't far enough into the sea for that hypocritical gobshite.

 

The PM represents the party of choice by the people and can be removed, The house of lords sit pretty until the british people decide they aren't fit for purpose, If they choose to do so, Under our laws. Which might not be a bad idea.

 

Is that the Single Farm Payment?

In any case, you can thank the UK (along with Germany) for blocking EU measures to limit the amount of public money large farming corporations can capture under the common agricultural policy.

 

Fixed that for you.
I live here, work here and pay here. So take your condescending left wing bul****t back to the Bob Geldof boat.



Raybans, nice threads, corporate jobs, expensive whisky and fingers up to the rest: The modern British/EU middle class of entitlement

 

You mean like the European Commissioners are nominated by the government of choice by the people and the appointment of who can be blocked by MEPs directly chosen by the people in proportional representation?

Your PM cannot be removed by the people; that is a party decision. Even with this referendum.

And you have no electoral control over the House of Lords, either, by the sounds of it.

 

The biggest con of all to the british people is exactly the fact we have no control, there is no mention in general elections of these crucial people who decide for us THAT IS THE UNDEMOCRATIC LIE, and no we are not privvy to who sits in the lords neither.

After a brexit vote (now or in the future) I will be voting to get that changed, we need it.

EDIT: A PM can be removed by removing the party or changing the local representatives, electing from local level can form the leadership of a party.

 

Hang on, so commissioners are nominated by the government you voted for, and their appointment approved by MEPs you voted for, but you are pissed that you have no control?

And commissioners make no decisions. They are purely executive. They are the civil servants that implement and execute the decisions of the democratically elected European Council (heads of state, including Cameron) and the European Parliament (MEPs).

After a meaningless Brexit vote you'll still have the same Tory government in place (with a majority vote of 34%, yay democracy!), doing whatever it wants to do, and no, you won't get a vote on the House of Lords.

Enjoy your fake revolt over a non-choice.

 

You really think the tories are going to be where they are now, they're finished as we know it, just like Labour and the Lib-Dems.

Personally, i want to see a coalition of party interests leading the country (maybe some new ones) acting under British law for the British people and held accountable to the British people (natural and immigrant).
I think a chance to forge some new ideas and enshrine old and tested ones might be good for everyone.

EDIT: We were once told we could never vote Nexxo, History has a nasty habit of repeating itself.

 

It's going to be a hell of a lot easier for the 5th largest consuming nation in the world with 65 million voters to govern themselves than it would be the 2nd largest economy with 508 million voters of 24 languages not including the fact the next countries in line to join are among the poorest in europe and with populations of staggering numbers.

UK national living wage is 4 times that of the poorest nations.

It's not rocket science to see what's going to happen, Although some die-hard's try to make it out that way. As long as Geldof and his ilk can still pour champange on the backs of workers, who cares eh!

EDIT: I rekon the EU will lose its second place to fourth or even fifth if we brexit.

 

Not knocking it, that would be a nice dream, honestly. But it's a dream.

If you think that the Tories are finished, you don't know them at all. They have rigged this referendum beautifully, they're playing this electorate like a violin and Farage is the useful idiot dancing to the tune.

The thing you must understand is that this is their natural element. Unlike most of Labour, these guys come from generations of hereditary privilege and positions of power. They were literally born to rule. They are pros at it. You'd have to meet them to understand.

Nothing is happening that they don't want to happen. This is not about us, or the EU. This is an internal little spat, all is fair in love and politics, and after they had their beautiful game of wits they go for a drink together, well played, and now back to ruling the plebs from our rightful place. Jo Cox has rattled them a bit, but you know, **** happens. Just goes to show you can't trust the commoners with real power and that Farage is nothing but trouble in the end. Expect him to be politically neutered when he has served his purpose.

 

In an increasingly globalised economy? Good luck with that. Even the much vaunted example of free trade Singapore is a founder-member of ASEAN, the Asian version of the EU.

Actually it is rocket science. But it takes a rocket scientist to recognise that.

 

Right....Let me consult the experts.......

 

No, he is the expert:

The rest of us are just ****ing amateurs with an opinion.

Only an idiot would argue that knowledge is a hindrance to understanding.

 

You see this is one difference between left and right. Conservatives will disagree with leftists but accept that they are acting on what they believe is right, despite being flat wrong. Leftists are convinced that Conservatives are acting out of malicious intent to further the advantages of whatever murky group you fancy claiming they are supporting.

 

Remain from the free market liberal point of view:


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