I don't particularly trust that. It may well be, but I think some truth is being hidden. Nothing has been shown apart from a single chart. It has less VRAM, a lower memory bandwidth and narrower memory bus and so on. It may be faster at RT and DLSS, but that won't matter until every game uses both. But yeah, it uses the exact same memory as the 2080Ti. CUDA cores: 5888. VRAM: 8GB GDDR6. Boost clock: 1.73GHz. Memory Interface Width: 256-bit. And the Ti. Core Clock / Boost Clock 1350/1545 FE: 1635MHz 1515/1710 FE: 1800MHz Memory Interface 352-bit Memory Capacity 11GB GDDR6 Speed 14Gbps Sure it's a new tech with more shaders per SM but yeah, I don't think it is going to be quite as good as we are being led to believe in everything. I think there will be a couple of small catches to the 3080 too in terms of what people are expecting from the cherry picked data they have been shown. Don't get me wrong, I think the 3080 will indeed be a beast, but not quite the beast we are being led to believe. I also think the 3070 will be very fast, but again I side on the err of caution to absolutes. The whole launch has basically been a rant about 4k, RT and DLSS. No other resolutions have been mentioned at all. So, unless you game at 4k? most of the information is useless. The Doom Eternal thing? that is Vulkan. The Borderlands 3 comparison? well, given how utterly terrible that game was on any GPU when it launched it doesn't surprise me. In fact, it was so bad I got it on Xbox. The RT and DLSS stuff? yes yes, all very nice but like I said, if every game doesn't use it in every single instance then it doesn't count to me. Two games coming before the end of the year, Cyberpunk and COD BLOPS Cold War. Given that Cold War is likely just the exact same engine and so on as MW? that isn't terribly worrying. Cyberpunk? could be the exception. However, that is one game. Who in their right mind would spend £700+ for one game? I still think the 2080Ti has plenty of uses. It's hardly about to become a door stop any time soon. So if you can bag one at less the cost of the 3070 right now and want something right now? I wouldn't worry too much about the 3070. You also need to take into account that no AIB 3070 is going to be the RRP of the Founders. IIRC the cheapest I have seen is £479. So nearer to £500. If you can undercut that by £50? then yeah, I would say you'd be OK.
They talk about 4k alot because all consoles will be 4k, The fact a 4k gysnc monitor is alot of money is a different issue. People spent £3000 for Crysis back in the day. so £700 for 1 game is a perfectly resonable sum of money if you have it to spend My friends wheel and chair setup for Formula 1 games is more than £700. If the 3070 delivers 2080TI levels of performance for close to retail pricing Nvidia will have found a winner for many people. If its faster than that 2080TI which I expect, They are giving consumers £1200 performance of previous gen for £500 this gen whatever way you look at this its a bargin. New Process node will be helping with the price is a feeling, And Nvidia have been milking high end gpus for years and can probably afford some price reductions
I expect it to be marginally slower than the Ti in real world usage, but I'm happy to be proved wrong and it's a massive win for PC gaming if that's the case.
Even if it's only *as good as* or a hair slower than the 2080ti... ...that's still 2080ti-ish perf for half-ish the price. ...and if it is, the 3060 will be an interesting one.
I'm really excited to get some benchmarks for the 3070 / 3080. I'm considering an upgrade from my 1070 but want to see what the performance is like as I'm a bit worried about the amount of ram
I rather suspect proper benchmarks & reviews will remain under NDA until 3080 pre-ordering goes live at 2pm BST on Sept 17th. In the meantime, we have this:- Note that he's "not allowed" to quote FPS, but he re-jigged his systems to provide throughput as a percentage compared to the 2080Ti. He then goes on to show several ingame benchmark runs with graphs showing the 3080 output at 165%-195% of that 2080Ti.
With regards price: GTX 1080 RRP $699 RTX 2080 RRP $699 RTX 3080 RRP $699 The pricing isn't some generous gift from the Gods but the performance jump may be.
It was 'just' the 2080 that the 3080 was compared against, not the Ti. Either way, that's a hell of a jump in performance at the same price.
I've noticed the first odd thing. I was watching Hardware Unboxed? is it? I think I just caught Nvidia out. OK so why am I saying that? Well firstly we all know that the 1080Ti was hardly any slower than the 2080. In pretty much everything. However, look how much better the 2080 was in Doom Eternal at 1440p. So it was an exception to the rule. And then, and here is the massive hole in Nvidia's BS benchmarks, look at 4k. Why is the 2080 losing so badly at 4k to the 1080Ti? that can't be right surely? Oh it is. It totally is. Want to know why? as per the video I just watched "The 2080 here is running out of VRAM. The game is asking for 9.5gb". So? there goes your "The 3080 is twice as fast as the 2080 in Doom Eternal at 4k !!!1111oneone". It's a loaded test. Nvidia KNEW the 2080 would run out of VRAM and perform like shite.
I think the 3070 may struggle at 4k, but it's not particularly aimed at 4k players. The trick gddr6X memory and Nvidia's Midas touch with vram compression will help the 3080 at 4k and 8gb will be enough. For now at least.
I'm so glad I bought the 2080Ti now (second one) and not the 3070 for the same price. I wouldn't care, but this one is going to be running 4k. My bedroom TV is 4k. I don't believe this VRAM compression malarkey dude. Never have, never will. This was not supposed to be a problem on HBM, it was. GDDR6 was so much faster etc? well it is clearly an issue on that also. I don't think it matters how fast the VRAM is, if you run out you are screwed either way. Especially when ID's head coder says the contrary. I mean yeah, I don't expect the 3070 to be a 4k card either tbh, but I also don't expect them to keep bashing on about how it's faster than the 2080Ti in an unknown quantity that clearly isn't going to be 4k. 'Cause let's face it, if the 2080Ti wasn't a 4k card then that makes the original price all the more LOLworthy.
I personally dont think many people will be bothered, It may not handle 4k max settings but its £500 which for a gpu is cheap. now the 3080 which is £650 needs to handle 4k max settings. I personally game at 1440p and wont be upgrading anytime soon, Got a 4k tv for racing games and you dont notice the quality difference 3-4 meters away from the screen as you do 30 inches from it I think the 3070 is really aimed at 1440p where 8gb vram will be enough for the forseeable. the 3080 will dethrone the 2080TI at 4k thats a reality and by 40-50% across the board looking at review videos, And it will be £600 less to do so. 2080 TI is 2 years old now really both the 3070 and 3080 should comfortably be quicker than it thats the reality of technology This is a huge win for gamers whatever way you cut it.
If you're gaming at 1440p and buying for longevity, I doubt it'll matter much. It'll be a long time before I'll be gaming at 4k.
I would doubt it. Well, unless a game uses over 10gb but not 11. All I do know is that when you run out performance collapses. It used to be worse, as it used to texture stream from the paging file on your HDD, but now it does it via system memory. It's still very slow, and massively punishing (as that benchmark there shows) but it doesn't "do a Fury" and crawl along at 5FPS. The 2080 clearly spanks the 1080ti in Vulkan. However, at 4k the VRAM simply runs out and it falls on its face. The only sort of "real" game they have shown so far* is BL3. And like I mentioned before it was such an utter turd on PC I got it on Xbox. *the others? Vulkan, which makes the 1080ti look terrible @ 1440p compared to the 2080 though in everything else it was pretty much dead even. The other two? RT and DLSS. Which we knew would be massively superior on Ampere any way.
