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News Classroom laptops fail to improve grades

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  1. arcticstoat

    arcticstoat New Member

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  2. Stotherd-001

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    We were doing pretty well with traditional methods. We're just not able to use the computers to their full potential in the classroom, yet. Methods need to change to adopt the new capabilities the laptop brings. I anticipate this getting worse if tablets are adopted too much.
     
  3. Flibblebot

    Flibblebot Smile with me

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    The trouble with IT classrooms is that it is seen as a panacea or a replacement for teaching, not just another tool in the teaching arsenal. In and of itself, it brings little benefit into a classroom (it's just technology for technology's sake) - only where teaching styles and teaching content is modified to include the use of IT will it become useful. Computers won't replace teaching, they'll help it.

    For those that are interested, take a look at TPACK.

    (Can anyone tell that I'm doing my PGCE at the moment? ;) )
     
  4. Jim

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    Did whiteboards increase the quality of learning over blackboards?

    The best thing that PCs in the classroom can do is improve children's confidence with using computers, which can only be a good thing.

    For them to actually improve the calibre of learning requires a teacher that can not only expertly use a computer, but also expertly utilise its unique capabilities, teaching pupils in a different way to other teaching methods.

    However, in the time I've spent watching IT lessons, I've seen no evidence of either. All anyone did was teach exactly the same lesson they would've done in their classrooms, except with a shiny computer to make it all 21st century. It's fairly obvious that won't teach anybody anything new.
     
  5. Mentai

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    I think using computers to help with research, presentations, reports etc makes sense. But basic writing, reading and math? Not so much. There should definitely be IT training in schools, but I think it's less distracting for students to be doing everything else by hand.
     
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    Teachers need to be educated more. It's really shocking to be honest. I am in what corresponds to the last year of High School and most of my teachers don't know how to turn on the projector, or use PowerPoint. My history teacher was in a sour mood due to him not being able to "Use the overhead projector for overheads". I didn't have it in me to tell him he could just fire up Google Earth on the projector with his computer..
     
  7. Bede

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    Children do not need all their lessons on a laptop just so they learn how to use a computer. All of the best teaching I received was done by a teacher talking, explaining and discussing with the class (I left school 2 years ago). Our generation does not need help learning how to use 'technology' - we pick it up very quickly. Teaching needs to remained focused on the interpersonal relationship between teacher and student; the classroom is much more important for social development than IT skills.
     
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    I guess they're banned from downloading porn.
     
  9. crazy95

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    i just finished my gcse and am starting collage tomorrow and at my high school we had laptops for some lessons that dont need them really like English
    and to be honest the laptop where just terrible and slow.
    if your the only one whos got 1 there always the idiot that says im on games or something stupid

    it dosnt help it makes it worse
     
  10. Picarro

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    This most be the prime example of laptops not helping.
     
  11. JA12

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    What a waste of (tax) money. For this kind of educational environment, LTSP environment is the most versatile and cost effective way of providing tech tools for pupils and teachers. In my country, schools that uses LTSP in their classrooms have reported how people experience these tools and the annual cost savings compared to Windows environment - the difference is huge. Not only does it give better functionality but you can run two schools with this environment and still save money.

    The other thing of course is that how tech tools are used in schools. The grades won't change if they're used to support traditional teaching. The "one size fits all" kind of teaching is flawed and that won't change no matter what tools are used.
     
  12. Fizzban

    Fizzban Man of Many Typos

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    Laptops in English lessons..that is..it's just..:jawdrop: Part of learning English is writing.
     
  13. GoodBytes

    GoodBytes How many wifi's does it have?

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    Forgetting about High School, and lower level.
    I blame on professors. If anything, computers in a class room, including just a classroom, with a computer for the proof, REDUCES grades, and to too try and keep up with them, student gets laptops.
    Where I am going with this?

    Since computer in class room for professors appeared, instead of having professor doing nice interactive Power Point, showing complicated things step by step, with animation or simply complement the professor note... no professor just use the lazy way out. Put ALLL their personal notes in a stupid PDF, or jam PowerPoint slides with them, as if PowerPoint had a limit of 3 slides, and just read them in class, instead of using the board as well.

    So here is me... seeing notes being fast read, and not only that.. already written, so no type to write them down, and understand them... no... you are set in photocopy mode, and just copy all the the teacher notes the fastest as you can. No time to understand, no time to even read them properly to ask question... PLUS, the class is boring as hell, so that does not help in anything.

    So here me.. trying to learn something at Univeristy. I got myself a laptop. I use Office 2010 OneNote, so that:
    -> I can type the notes faster, and actually have time to read/think about them, and ask questions.
    -> Have my notes readable, as I don't rush in photocopy mode
    -> For prof that aren't afraid of putting their notes in a secure website, I can import then in OneNote before class starts, and I can follow them in class, and complete them with additional notes.

    Now, here is what it could help, and does help with:
    -> If I had a tablet PC (ie: Latitude XT series, not iPad), I could use it for math, but I didn't have 3k, at the time, for one that works very well, and I won't fight with it (ignoring of course, that the 3k laptop (at the time) had little to no performance for the price tag), They are much cheaper and better these days.. but still too expensive.

    -> I can search though my notes, at home, when studying, to help me provide myself, more time on note completion, understands, etc.. instead of searching page by page through unreadable notes

    -> Record/Listen the segments of the class, which I judge at the time, important.

    -> All notes sync to my desktop via web/network, where I have a better display, to work with my notes better.

    -> Complete my notes from my readings, within my notes, and have freedom to adjust or do my notes the way I want them, with drawings.. you know as you can edit anything (push things down, insert picture or more notes, and adjust things). So that when come at the exam time, I can have everything nice and neat for review. And more.

    Now I do notice that at University.. many students with laptop, don't know how to use it.
    Some think that the class is a StarCraft 1 class, other thinks it's happening in their Facebook account. Well to bad for them. They usually barely pass the class or fails it.

    Others use Word (oh boy), to write notes.. the attempt is good.. but Word with note taking.. I tried it... and no you can't do it. So they struggle, some give up and go back to pen and paper, some finds other, better software, like OneNote, or some other alternative. Some, uses different approach, which works well for them, so I am not complaining.

    But I think, if professors weren't lazy ass people, and actually use the TOOLS provided to them properly, then class would be so much better. In my whole University experience, only 1 prof used the in-class computer properly... it was an intro to Java class (and for those who know nothing about programming), where the prof used the computer to show live examples. And some example would not even compile, or not work properly (on purpose), and asked around class, how to solve the problem, and applied what was suggested, and see the result (works, or does not). The class was fun, interactive, and class average was 80%, 0 failed.

    I know it's just 1 class, and well, it's intro to programming, so it's not particularly difficult, but it shows what you can do, how it can be helpful.
     
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    Writing is better for having something sink in, rather than typing. Typing may give you time after, assuming the teacher allows you any before he moves on. But with writing you have to give more thought to what it is you are doing. I find with copy-typing all I absorb is a long list of words in the correct order, not the meaning those words hold. Writing gives the time to absorb what you write, rather than just a quick tap-tap-tap of keys.
     
  15. freshsandwiches

    freshsandwiches Can I do science to it?

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    As a teacher all I can say is that ICT is a great resource in a classroom. Like everything else though, you have to have a clear purpose for using it and making sure that whatever learning intention you are trying teach the pupils is achieved.

    Teachers have to use a variety of methods, otherwise it's boring for the kids and you!
     
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    The only time IT was ever relevant for my learning was when it was used to project a film onto the whiteboard. None of my teachers needed it, none of the teachers I know need it.
     
  17. GoodBytes

    GoodBytes How many wifi's does it have?

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    Well that is your experience.
    It's because your proof don't know how to use it. Computers in a class room, isn't meant to change education process, or replace. It is mean't for complimenting the system, WHEN USED PROPERLY. Kinda like those overhead projectors... like these:
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    Some proof uses it properly, like draw stuff on something to explain better or show pictures, graph and what not...
    others shows all their notes that could have been simply talked in class, or written on the board. Some use large font to make it visible.. some write using a large market in what looks like font 8 if it was on the computer, and you can't read anything.
     
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    SMIFFYDUDE Supermodders on my D

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    (Cut + Paste) Miss, i've done!
     
  19. Bakes

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    I use a laptop in school. This is because I can't write fast enough (in terms of exam board rules) for A level. It's taken my typing speed up from 12 words per minute to 80-90. I'd say my laptop's been a massive change - but only because I a) bought the laptop myself and b) use it properly.

    Much of what's being taught (especially to do with computers) is not education - it's training. Education is what students need - so they understand what they're doing.

    Computer education and computer training - replace computer with sex and then decide which you'd prefer your kids to get.
     
  20. Bede

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    Yeah, I definitely over-exaggerated there, my bad. I just worry that too many teachers see a powerpoint as an adequate replacement for a lesson. I had a Greek teacher who used tech very well, using a Wacom tablet to highlight words and passages of text on the projector. He was 1/1000 though, having bought the tablet himself. Most people have the same understanding of technology and its potentials as our mothers - it simply isn't worth encouraging the creep of computers into every lesson.

    Looking back at this article - which focuses on laptops in classrooms - I see we have gone a little off message. Simply put, laptops should be there for people with dyslexia (or broken wrist etc) serious enough to merit it, no one else.
     
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