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Motors EU enforces speed limiters on all cars by 2022

Discussion in 'General' started by Happy Hopping, 31 Mar 2019.

  1. Anfield

    Anfield Well-Known Member

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    Instead of the stupid not really a speed limiter that probably won't work any way:

    Mandatory front and rear dashcam + black box.
    Problem solved.
     
  2. Xlog

    Xlog Active Member

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    <checks UK speed limit>, ah, that explains why some client from UK refuse to ride in a car I'm driving.


    In some countries dash cams are illegal, so mandating them can be a bit problematic, also most cars already have some sort of "black box", but that doesn't really prevent anyone from speeding, just ease up investigation after the crash.
     
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  3. liratheal

    liratheal Sharing is Caring

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    It depends on how, exactly, the disabling function worked. If as suggested it's just pressing harder on the peddle, then I have doubts that it'll stop people being sloppy with the speed limit.
     
  4. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Staff Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

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    To play devil's advocate, it'd work to help curb both deliberate and accidental speeding: accidental speeders will receive a warning that they're about to speed and have to take a positive action, pushing harder on the pedal, to confirm they want to do so; deliberate speeders lose the "I didn't know I was speeding" excuse having taken said positive action to confirm that yes, they are fully aware they're about to speed and would like to do so please.

    So, basically, the people who were speeding accidentally stop speeding altogether; the people who are deliberately speeding are more likely to be successfully prosecuted (and having taken a deliberate, positive, and informed action to speed would probably mean a jump from "driving without due care and attention" to "dangerous driving," meaning there's more at stake and knowing that may make a few of 'em change their minds about their need to get to their destination eighty seven seconds quicker.)

    Incidentally, this tech was actually an option on my current car - though I think it was purely camera-based sign recognition with no GPS backup, and you had to switch it on manually. Same idea, though: if it was switched on and you were about to go over the speed limit, it stopped accelerating and pinged at you; if you decided to do it anyway, you just pushed the pedal down harder. Mine doesn't have it, though, it's a lower trim level; it does have the speed limiting tech, but you have to set the maximum speed yourself with the steering column stalk control. To my knowledge, we've never bothered to use it - or cruise control, which I think it also has (and which is basically the same tech but with both an upper and a lower limit - it's not the clever type with lane-following or gap-keeping.)
     
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  5. liratheal

    liratheal Sharing is Caring

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    I'm not convinced. I think that approach relies on the driver believing that they would actually get caught. I think it relies on the driver both paying attention and believing the car is right.

    I don't believe drivers think enough to determine the machine might be right and they wrong. I don't accept most people believe they might get caught when they speed.

    The lack of enforcement is, to me, a more pressing issue than mandating cars get more expensive with a system that is more than likely to be proprietary to every manufacturer each with their own flaws and failings, and each with their own unplanned obsolescence because the manufacturer won't support the updates necessary to make the system work after three or four years.

    Every single car out there with a digital dash has issues, and not one of them has ever been released without flaw.

    Im confident that someone will use the software flaws to get out of a ticket and that will set a precedent that further relegates this waste of time to the scrapheap.

    To expect any speed limiting system to make a blind bit of difference is, I think, a little too hopeful.
     
  6. legoman

    legoman breaker of things

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    I see sign recognition working to a point, muck damaged or missing signs being a problem but then the onus on whomever maintains that road to ensure the signage is in good order.
    The black box approach is likely to be seen as an invasion of privacy, as in the current ones show where you are and have been etc, bit like some companies place trackers in their vehicles.

    Either way theres going to be a backlash against it and its going to be rather complicated to actually enforce.
    Likely a better solution would be reducing cars on the road, better mass transport options and infrastructure, but you know...
     
  7. Wakka

    Wakka Yo, eat this, ya?

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    Surely this is just the stepping-stone to fully autonomous cars, anyways?

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    Adaptive cruise control, lane keep assist, traffic sign recognition, emergency auto breaking, park assist... it's all filtering down into even entry-level small cars.
     
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  8. liratheal

    liratheal Sharing is Caring

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    Honestly, I feel like all these features make people worse drivers because there seems to be a much more prevalent theory that they can check their phone, or pay less attention to the two tonnes of metal they're piloting.
     
  9. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    When you stop being able to fool this kind of thing with stickers and bits of tape I might take proposals like this seriously.
     
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  10. edzieba

    edzieba Virtual Realist

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    If you're worried aobut mandatory phone-home loction-aware black-boxes, you're about a year too late on that, I'm afraid.
     
  11. adidan

    adidan Guesswork is still work

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    That was my first thought when I heard this.

    Irrespective of how it will/will not work I think the main aim is to gradually get people used to the idea that one day they'll be climbing in a box and being shuffled around rather than being sat behind a wheel.
     
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  12. legoman

    legoman breaker of things

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    I have a tracker for cycling, I'm not fussed myself if "something" knows where I am but I could imagine others would.
    I know Google got into hot water after it was found the location options were never actually turned off. An for that matter triangulation via GSM has been around for got knows how long now.

    Basically as IOT comes to its inevitable conclusion of WiFi enabled fruit and veg everything will end up connected to the internet and wanting location data to "improve" things.

    I'm off to use an app to find my coat...
     
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    I cannot stand the way that tech is enabling always-on tracking of everything. Just makes me buy older stuff and invest time and money in systems on my home network that'll filter all that stuff out before it gets anywhere..
     
  14. Fizzban

    Fizzban Man of Many Typos

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    First its trackers and nanny-state oversight. Then its cars that drive themselves coz its "safer" except when someone hacks it and splatters you all over the dashboard. Eventually it will...*error* Thinking is a prohibited resource. If you find yourself thinking please check into your nearest AI-Orifice to be re-educated.
     
  15. Vault-Tec

    Vault-Tec Green Plastic Watering Can

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    I'm with Gareth. Most people speeding are usually so far away they don't even know they're speeding.

    Having a "dick pedal" is a good idea I reckon .
     
  16. legoman

    legoman breaker of things

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    Now I'm imaging the scene from iRobot "you are experiencing a car accident"
     

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