News Mozilla takes offense to Safari

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/06/19/mozilla_takes_offense_to_safari/1

The Mozilla Foundation's President has gone on record to say some pretty nasty things about Apple and Steve Jobs after the company's recent announcement on its browser, Safari.

 

I'm actually hoping to see Safari through. Apple's simplicity vogue (a la ubiquitous iPod) may win a few hearts next year as browsing trends tend to shift quickly.

 

Unlikely I think. Every piece of Apple osftware I've ever used has been utter crap on Windows, Safari will never get through.

 

Either Jobs was being very naive or very stupid. You can't just forget browsers, Netscape is still about (all though it's becoming a social bookmarking site now).

I've even moved my Media Player to a Mozilla software based solution (Songbird beta) as it looks like a smoother version of iTunes.

 

I really dislike IE and use mainly Firefox at home and at work, although certain web based applications at work need to use IE, i've found i can use an addon to open IE inside a Firefox tab. Basically as far as i'm concerned Firefox rules the roost when it comes to browsers and most of my friends feel the same way. I can't see me changing to Safari, i've always seen Apple as being style over substance, fashion over function, not something i'd ever buy into.

 

Safari is pretty, and that's about it... Come to think of it.. On vista it just looks ugly as the aero theme is completely dropped. Without it, it just sticks out like a sore thumb.

I do like that 3D bookmark window though

 

Safari Is Crap!!!

I admit it's faster at loading pages, but the beta does not even minimize in x64 vista, it will not display help stuff on pages when u leave your mouse over an icon (i.e. play.com tell u the price of some products in the top sellers list). Mozilla are miles ahead and internet explorer 7 is a vast improvement over the last.

So there is no need for Apple in this market, for god sake
Apple go and make me an iTunes for x64 vista that installs and runs well, without having to resort to installing through apple update for windows.

 

Mozilla Sunbird is a calender app or have I missed something

I shall be sticking firmly to firefox. (with IE tabs for those made for IE sites)

 

Oops, typo, meant Songbird

 

got a link for that plugin? Or a name at least? I could do with it, my post office credit card login doesn't work in FF....or IE7 for some reason.

 

IEtab

 

Naive actually, your way looks like it could be right though :s

Could it be that Steve-O was intentionally not including Firefox's market in the chart because he doesn't see himself as competing with them? I don't be the problem with Steve saying "Look, I.E. have 3x as much market as us, we're going after that"

 

Songbird is good, now they've ironed most of the bugs out.
The just need to incorporate tabs and extensions.


H.B.

 

Songbird looks pretty swish although it didn't quite seem as polished as iTunes did when I tried it. I'm willing to give it another go though.

The what now?

 

There are a few minor bugs (it keeps asking me to add new media and import from itunes whenever it boots), but the inbuilt Wikipedia and googling style capabilities are brilliant, I know it's been done elsewhere, but I like the styles and extensions available for the program.

 

"Lilly goes on to describe Apple's whole product offering and Steve's vision for the company at large as "out of date" and "corporate-controlled.""

yup Steve just wants to be Bill Gates and doesn't care how he does it - the guys a meglomaniac.
Safari is horrible even on a Mac - give me open source anyday. Firefox rocks.

 

total hubris indeed....

songbird = farting birds.....

 

I think the problem that Apple will face is that only a certain number of people ever bother switching browsers. Most people use IE because that's what their PC comes with and that's what they're used to. Same applies to Safari - Macs come with Safari, therefore Mac users use Safari. Only a small percentage of either camp will ever decide to use a different browser; most people don't care or are too ignorant to know about alternatives.

Evidently Safari isn't gathering much of a following amongst the users of both Firefox, Opera etc or IE - most people dislike it for various reasons and are happy enough with what they've got. I just don't really see what Safari has to offer the non-IE group that they don't have already.

My main concern is that Apple start packing Safari with iTunes and just happen to have the 'Install Safari and allow it to take over my entire PC' option ticked by default during the installation process. Plenty of people never bother to read those options, so upon updating iTunes they'll suddenly find themselves using the browser that Apple tell them to.

 

So true, and i've never liked the whole itunes - itunes store tie in. I've often wanted to just browse the store to see what they've got but i'll be dammed if i'm going to install a horrible program just to do so. I'll stick with winamp (i know its no the best but i like it) and FF with IE7 for all the M$ sites that have active x or some other rubbish

Rofl that should be Apple's new marketing slogan, Apple: Style over substance, fashion over function.

Dont get me wrong i think moving people away from IE is a good thing but the way you talk about it you seem to imply you want less market diversity. I dont think thats right, there are a few "special" cases where monoplies and duopolies are right but in this case its not. It would reduce RnD as new features and security are the only things current browsers have fight over. And that fight should be improving the quality of both. If you remove the need to fight you remove the need to improve.

 

if that's ever going to happen (which is already incredibly unlikely) they need to get it to the point where it isn't a door in for crackers, and also actually works in at least some resemblance to the way its supposed to. (see jazzle's pic in the original safari discussion)