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peterson get death

Discussion in 'Serious' started by I'm_Not_A_Monster, 14 Dec 2004.

  1. Ubermich

    Ubermich He did it!

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    Damn straight.
    Damn straight.
    Damn straight. Honestly, I'd do it. Especially in a case like this. But then again, I understand some northerners' views are skewed by the mass media, and as such they think they couldn't kill him because "he's a human being" or some such bs. :p
     
  2. TheoGeo

    TheoGeo What are these goddamn animals?!

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    i personaly dont agree with the death penalty, it is state sponsored murder.

    then theres always the point of, what if new evidence is found after the person has been killed and they are found to be inocent. That person has then suffered the death penalty for something they didnt do
     
  3. belier

    belier What's a Dremel?

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    That's a good point, and is also why a man or woman condemned to die stays on "death row" for well over 6 years before they are actually executed. Within that timeframe they file appeal after appeal after appeal.

    Given all that, I support the death penalty. If you willingly take someone elses life, you don't deserve the luxury of living out the rest of yours in a cell with all bills paid via the taxpayers. If it's premeditated, you should hang.

    Peterson strangled his wife and unborn child and dumped the body into a river so that he could start a life with a different woman. I would defy you to give me any reason that he should live for another 60 years.
     
  4. Monkeyboy

    Monkeyboy Minimodder

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    if anyone is going to sponsor murder, why not the state? they have more practice than the rest of us....
     
  5. penski

    penski BodMod

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    Well that is crap for a start - If you read my earlier post, you would have seen that, although I oppose the death penalty, I am all for locking someone up in solitary for the rest of their natural lives.

    *n
     
  6. Ubermich

    Ubermich He did it!

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    And I'm saying why do you support that and not death? Because it costs more for the rest of us?
     
  7. penski

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    My version on the classic phrase:

    In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man still has no depth perception.

    *n

    PS: You seem to have quite an obsession with shower rape...
     
  8. :: kna ::

    :: kna :: POCOYO! Moderator

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    I had a crazy idea the other day.. how about people who are sentenced to death do a statutory sentence of say 10 years, then when they are released they will no longer get any protection from the law, access to any national benefits and employers will be legally allowed to prejudice against them based on their crime in giving them a job.

    That's pretty cruel and unusual, doesn't cost us any money and is a reasonable deterrent.
     
  9. belier

    belier What's a Dremel?

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    This person would be shot to death 4 steps outside of the penitentiary walls. Might as well knock them off beforehand and save a few trees worth of release forms. :D
     
  10. Jumeira_Johnny

    Jumeira_Johnny 16032 - High plains drifter

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    Someone once said, and I can't for the life of me remember who it was; "You can judge a society by the way it treats it's prisoners." I bet one of you guys can help me out with the name. Penski? Nexxo?

    In any case, I say try and take a step outside and look at how a people (the US, GB, France, Germany or CIS) treat prisoners and ask yourself what that says about the citizens.
     
  11. tk421

    tk421 Idiot.

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    personally, i think that if you are callus enough to take another life in cold blood, you should be culled from the gene pool. violently, and publicly. if people think that theres a chance they can get away with it, they will try.

    rapists should be neutered. and lobotomized with a hand drill.

    drunk drivers should be duct taped to a freeway. with a target painted on thier arse.

    embezzelers, scam artists, and other chicken**** thieves should be forced to work fast food 12 hours a day to repay thier debt, plus 50% just out of spite. While living in forced squalor.

    child abusers should be caned. every day for the rest of thier lives. even the mental abuser types, that dont hit thier kids.

    I am quite sick of people getting away with this crap. there are no consequences anymore - just attorneys and televised trial and endless appeals. it's like either no one knows right from wrong anymore, or they just dont care. the lowest common denominator seems to get lower every day.
     
  12. Smilodon

    Smilodon The Antagonist

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    Agree with you there...

    Trielas should be quick. Just shoot the person wich have done something wrong. It's already way to many people in this world anyway...

    Think about it. This world have become way to sivilised... People aren't any better than any other animal, no matter where they come from, what they do, how they look or act or what they think...

    This might sound very strange, but i think it's a reality.
     
  13. penski

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    Lies, to be honest.

    Taken from here.

    So for all this bitching about you not wanting to pay for someone to live the rest of their life in prison, it is costing you more to have them killed.

    :rolleyes:

    *n
     
  14. belier

    belier What's a Dremel?

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    True, if the parameters set up for that case study are actually relevant.

    "A study by Indiana's Criminal Law Study Commission found this to be true, assuming that 20% of death sentences are overturned and resentenced to life. (Indiana Criminal Law Study Commission, January 10, 2002) "

    A 20% overturn rate is rare in the main.

    "* The costs of carrying out (i.e. incarceration and/or execution) a death sentence were about half the costs of carrying out a non-death sentence in a comparable case."

    If the cost of carrying out a death sentence is half the cost of carrying out a non-death sentence in a comparable case, then what's your point?

    It is well documented that a capital case costs more than a regular criminal case. I'm still not convinced, however, that the total package for a life sentence costs less than a death sentence.
     
  15. Ubermich

    Ubermich He did it!

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    But if you'll go back to my original plan, they get 1 appeal and at the end of that they're immediately shot.

    This would cut the appeals cost to somewhere between 20% and 50% of the original. Then, thanks to America's right to a speedy trial, holding time is kept to a minimum, which means less cost to feed them. Finally, by execution immediately after appeal, and by using one bullet instead of expensive chemicals and registered nurses and/or doctors the cost of execution would but cut to ~1-5% of the current cost.

    The only reason it costs so much is the people who don't believe in it
    :rolleyes:


    Generally, they assume that the prisoners will be held until they're ~60-70 anyway, at which point they're close to dying of natural causes...

    However, another point they usually miss is the cost of medical care for prisoners. Not too long ago, someone actually got plastic surgery while in prison. Who paid for it? Taxpayers of course!
     
  16. demonevs

    demonevs What's a Dremel?

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    If you have taken someone's life and wanted to do it - you should expect the same given in return.
     
  17. scopEDog

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    Would cause more crime imho..
     
  18. penski

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    Everything seems to point toward it costing less to imprison an individual for life than to kill them...

    *n
     
  19. belier

    belier What's a Dremel?

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    Interesting. I've just been reading similar reports, they all seem to agree.

    Be that as it may, I still have a problem with paying for a killer's room, board and medical expenses.

    I'm also reading up on some articles about how the death penalty doesn't really deter anyone. The underlying argument is that whenever someone has gotten worked up enough to actually commit murder, thoughts of consequences and punishments don't even enter their minds. Therefore the threat of execution is null.

    Interesting reading.
     
  20. Ubermich

    Ubermich He did it!

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    But every article tells you exactly where the cost lies.
    It's all in the appeals. All of the cost is from going to court over and over again, and the state being forced to give them an attourney every time...
    One appeal and that cost would go away.
     

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