Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by WilHarris, 17 Nov 2006.
Just sounds dodgy to me. Paedophiles anonomous?
Just watched the video it seems a little creepy to me.
Games like this are lambasted, while movies like "Seven" are lauded with praise.
While I probably wouldn't play it myself, I respect the right for it to be made, just give it the appropriate rating.
Looking at the website it looks quite creepy but the story might be interesting. Banning things is kinda excessive. Just a game people, just a game.
Sounds good - where can I buy it?
Oh come on, if I can enjoy watching the "SAW" movies where people get their jaws wrenched apart I should logically be able to move my penchent for funny torture over to video games also
Creepy = sounds interesting...
There are films far worse and are great
I would be more outraged if it hadn't already scored 4/10 in EDGE.
The game is a bit f***ed up. Though it is avalible in the U.S. I bought it at Wal-Mart. I don't think it's depraved enough to get banned.
watch some french horror movies much much worse then saw make saw look like the telletubies as in all hollywood films they don't actually show anything happening but in other movies you can see there arm being cut off and head being sliced up
Yeah, doesn't sound worse than many movies. Even mainstream and/or criticallly acclaimed...
And frankly, the last thin we need in Europe right now is a local Jack Thomson or a wave of puritanism/idiocy making it's way to the EU Commission.
Is the game suitable for children? Probably not...slap a +18 or whatever sticker on it, and let the parents decide what's best for their children. All this false-moralism and patronicing makes me sick. As much as parents that don't have a clue about what their children do and then put the blame on everything except themselves when said children does something wrong.
There is a dfifference at which children percieve film and game though, film to them is as real as life, which is why they get scared, or why they cry so easily when Simba's dad dies. They don't generally repeat what they see in gruesome or graphical films. Young boys might try replicating stunts theyve seen by jackie chan, but thats usually as far as they go. But games, kids they think that what you do in a game doesnt happen in real life, partly because parents tell them "it's just a game". But does anyone remember the case when a 17yo put a screwdriver through a 14yo after becoming obsessed with manhunt?
i'm not supporting that these games should be banned, but the age restriction doesnt always work, my parents bought me Resi Evil, silent hill and other 18 titles when i was about 12, manhunt at 16, etc. Parents will buy their kids games despite the age warning because they trust their kids will see it as just a game.
People who have a say on whether or not video game titles should be banned, know that people well under the age certificate will play it, and they have to take this into account. If a game so truely horriffic existed that could turn all unsuspecting children into insanely gruesome murderous sado-rapist child molesters (a la 8mm) later in life, then they will ban it. Germany, New Zealand, and Austalia banned Manhunt for such reasons.
Sadomasochism? Lesbianism? Torture?
This sounds more brutal than Silent Hill (the game) which I hold to be a pretty damn violent series. The fact that Sony decided not to release the game in the USA tells me even they think the game is too intense. I mean Rockstar knows controversy, but I honestly feel that this is different.
... Actually this reminds me of the old game Alice blended with Silent Hill/Resident Evil. The story would make a good Stephen King book and/or movie. Which makes you all the sudden realize: I don't remember the last time a movie caught flack on the grounds of violence or corrupting youth.
(Wonder what would happen if there was a GTA Movie? )
[PS - Parents could learn to educate themselves and raise their kids intelligently. Movies have ratings just like games. And there's a reason. And in this case maybe this is one of those rare times a game should be AO. After all with the Gen-X group having grown up with games and now most of them are in their 20's, there are eventually going to be games catered towards them. Games with dark plots, very graphic themes, and other things along that line. Bioshock is another title along those lines where you have to kill children to stop monsters in an underwater city. I think this is fine. If politicians weren't ignorant about video games and parents took responsibility, everything would be fine. But then again, that's exactly why it never is and there are always these problems coming up in the first place.]
we all know how succesful parents can be the last few years on their children's video games......
i usually play any *controversial* games becoz theyre usually out of the ordinary, interesting, unique, and actually fun.... i love blood and gore (damn u bf2142 for not having blood) in games such as Doom or FEAR, i love being able to hijack anybody's car and run from the police in GTA series (and coffee mod...), and i really want to try playing bullies... that sounds like fun!
there are lines that games shouldnt cross. period.
id probably try this game out coz i wanna know how it plays, but im not sure if i'll like it... BUT the idea of an 5-13yr old can simply ask their retarded parents to buy this game...... disgust me.
yes, of course, lotsa movies are far far FAR worse........ but look at the access and incentive of it...
- u will get (well, at least MORE) strict patrolling on movie theatres than ur local ebgames or walmart; in terms of age limits.
- there's not much incentive/push for kids to download SAWIII becoz if they "kinda" dont like blood and gore that much, they simply wont try to watch them. Now imagine they make a GAME of the movie with the same blood and gore... where u can play a character and accomplish objectives interactively? For the younger generation THIS is more interesting/entertaining, thus grants them the effort to actually acquire and play it, more so than watching the movie..... Come on, kids love to play games more than adults... in a very very subjective point of view
these 2 points implies to the fact that; most kids that may not have interest in watching a *movie* about orphanage abuse where they're not even legal to see, will have more interest in a *game* on the same topic where they have easier access and it actually grants them more entertainment value.
thats where the problem lies, IMO.
im not worried that my 5yr old niece will want to see SAW3 on DVD, but i am worried if she ask her mom to get her a new playstation game and all the kids in school is talking about this Rule of Roses thingie and her mom, my sister, which has 0 knowledge in video games, will buy it for her. given the old joe that works in walmart or EB doesnt warn her when she buys it........
get my point?
just my 2c.
I always disagree with people using the theory that something should be banned as children could get hold of it even with an age rating system in place. My main complaint againt the theory is that it taking it to its logical conclusion ie if something could be dangerous to children and only a age limit or other limit is in place (ie an license) we would need to ban cars, bikes, planes, cooking utensiles, sports goods, medicines and other such products. This limits and licences are in place to allow goods to be used by reponsible or old enough people. Instead of banning products enforce the limits.
But here is where the very problem lies its the PARENTS responsibility for checking content. Hell just reading the back will do it for most games. I agree with fines for selling inapropiate games to minors but having a federal body for it isnt such a good idea. Hell do what they do with porn mags in the UK stick em on the top shelf so the nippers cant get at em. So short of kids running into EBgames with stepladders (walmart has them in glass cases but actually do check id ive been ID'd twice and im 23 ffs) an adult has to directly place it in a kids hands. Then you can do em for adding to the deliquiency of a minor (think they have that law over here to) and problem solved. We dont need new laws or new ratings or new bans we need the ones we have enforced.
Trouble is, this can only be done to a degree. cars, cooking utensils, extreme sports procucts (ice picks really, although baseball bats could be used as a weapon), cooking utensils (mainly knifes and such) can only be purchased by adults, and are enforced in stores. But parents allow these such products to be used by their children. And that's what people who ban games are thinking about. Parents aren't the greatest enforcers of such laws. They teach their children how to use it safely, and then let them get on with it from then on.
To enforce them like you say would require the law to monitor the childs usage of the product, and the problem with this ever taking off would be a breach of privacy etc. Even when caught allowing your child to play an 18 restricted game, courts wouldnt take the issue seriously, maximum penalty will probably be a really small fine and promising never to let the child play that game again.
Doom was rather brutal back in its day, my dad used to play final doom on the playstation, and he let me play it as often as i wanted, and what do you do? you run around with a selection of weapons killing monsters, you attack them with chainsaws and rocket launchers, and when the monsters exploded into pixelated piles of blood and bones, the doom guy would have his evil grin. Any parent in the perfect world would never allow such a thing. But how many of you played doom? and how many of you would let your 8 yo play it? I bet most of you wouldnt even care, i know i wouldn't.
Point is, banning games that cross the line into seriously depraved is sometimes the only way to be sure children don't get influenced in the learning stages of their mentality and morality into what is acceptable behaviour, and what isn't. Parents should restrict their children. But they don't. So more has to be done to ensure such games never get into childrens hands.
"Your job, as with most games, is to stop them."
If I understand correctly, you play the good guy and your goal is to stop the bad guy. and the problem is? I want my kids to learn to stand up for whats right and fight evil. Have any of these people ever read the real grimm fairy tales? Not too many years ago, a certain amount of gruesomeness was considered perfectly acceptable when teaching children important life lessons such as good vs evil.
Thats the problem with kids these days, they are shielded from everything even slightly negative and aren't taught the skills to deal with the bad things the real world has to offer. Then when something terrible happens later on, like say they order a mocha latte and instead get a cappachino, they don't know how to deal with it and need valium to cope with the stress; or they get wasted on chemicals they got from some guy in an alley; or they buy an ak47 and shoot up a school full of ten year olds.
The wrong mentality
So the only "problem" with a game being violent, explicit, etc. is that so many in the in the out-of-touch grown-up world think "it's a video game, it must be for kids."
It's very similar to the Simpson's -- when that show first came out, many parents were mad about it. Why? Because "it's a cartoon...it's for children...but it's got adult themes and talk of "eating of one's shorts"....good heavens, my 4 year old was traumatized!!!!"
The problem is two-fold:
1) grown-ups who've forgotten how to have fun, or think fun isn't for grownups, think the only person who'd play a video game or watch a cartoon should be under 10. So they judge the material with the mindset of "if I was an innocent little sheltered 10 year old who was overprotected and had never seen the real world or heard others cussing at school, would my mommy want me to see this?" Of course you're going to think the game should be banned with that mindset.
2) it's a genre that some people assume is designed for children, so some people freely let their children have access to it...only to be shocked later by the content. So really, it's a problem with when the judging of the cartoon or game occurs in some households, and how the parents of those households need to be re-trained. The judging of a game should come at purchase time, with an educated inspection of the packaging and an understanding of game ratings....it shouldn't come 2 weeks later when you walk into your kids room and he's already played the game for 28 hours and you're totally shocked by the content and can't believe it "got into your house."
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