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Hardware The Facts: 4K Advanced Format Hard Disks

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Sifter3000, 1 Apr 2010.

  1. Sifter3000

    Sifter3000 I used to be somebody

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  2. ModMonkey

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    Nice article, the least panicky one I have read on this subject so far!

    So, if I'm understanding this, if I'm planning on putting a few new disks into my 2003 home server I'm just as well off with the EARS 7+8 jumper as I am with the EADS model but with the advantage of having disks that are geared toward future... stuff?
     
  3. SBS

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    There is no way on earth any OS will drop support for older discs within the lifetime of anything you buy atm. Its really not something you need to consider with any current purchases.
     
  4. Claave

    Claave You Rebel scum

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    I agree with everything you say until the 'but'. 4K Advanced Format disks aren't really a way of future-proofing for us consumers but rather introduce a new standard for hard disk manufacturers to dramatically increase capacities in the future without significantly increasing cost per GB.

    Hope that helps clarify the situation!
     
  5. tad2008

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    An informative article with some interesting insights in to how hard drives work with data, but was let down somewhat by some small grammatical errors, a little proof reading goes a long way.

    I agree with SBS that we'll be seeing the EADS drives around for quite a while yet and I imagine a lot of businesses will be utilising these for a lot more years to come.
     
  6. dec

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    Do SSD's use something like 4K for data sectors?

    I like the article but im left wondering how long it will be before WD, Seagate, etc start using the 7 - 11% more they get from switching to 4K.
     
  7. Cupboard

    Cupboard I'm not a modder.

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    this would seem like an ideal chance to switch to using proper numbering, ie 1024 rather than 1000 bits in a kbit like everyone else uses.
     
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    Ok so if im reading this correctly (which im gonna assume im not), using this disk with the 4k sectors in win7 will cause a performance hit in some situations?
     
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    Just so I'm clear...

    There's effectively no current benefit to the user and there will be no change in capacities etc at the moment?

    If that's the case, why are they doing this for current hard drives rather than when needed? The only reason I can think of is they're using us as guinea pigs.

    Not that I'm against innovation, but when anything new appears there's a slight risk, and we should have a meaningful benefit for taking on that risk.
     
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    Doing it because it's a bit faster and a bit cheaper - you get double the cache for example. It's an incremental stepping stone, but yes, the first generation appears largely a testing ground that's why it was launched on the Green drives with Blue and Black arriving later (although what capacity they will launch on, I dont know).
     
  11. Simon bridgeford

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    i think there is a bit of a mistake on page 4 because the 3rd test shows profile 1, profile 2, profile 2, profile 2, profile 2, but the next test goes profile 1, profile 2, profile 3 etc..
     
  12. Pookeyhead

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    I have six of these "EARS" Cav greens spread across 2 servers. I had no doubts about buying them. There's a big warning on the front of them saying that you need to run the align program in XP and that it will be fine in Win7 etc etc. Performance has been great in my RAID arrays, and thank you Bit Tech for putting the rumours and fear-mongering to bed. Even the guy at Scan was trying to get me to buy the EADS version instead, saying "These are new advanced format disks..." and rambling on about how they won't be as fast as the EADS version. Of course I had read about the "new" 4K disks and ignored him anyway.

    Basically, what small differences there are in Win7 are negligible as Bit have just demonstrated.
     
  13. mayhem

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    people will always complain as they don't like change or are just plain scared of change.

    AGP to PCI express - Lots of complainers were are they all now. (err my gpu wont work on the new motherboard ect ect)

    Legacy ports to USB (they been phased out and now nearly every one uses USB - i do say nearly BTW)

    Intel and AMD change all the time so much so its just a fact of life.

    To advance every one needs to move with the times.

    MOney to card
    Paper to Ebook
    Tapes to CD to Digital download
    VHS to DVD to Blueray
    the year 2k from 00 to 2000

    Get used to it and stop complaining and let the boffin s do what they do best and improve.
     
  14. SinxarKnights

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    Not sure who is complaining.... But its easy to say, Oh pfft who still uses that old tech anyway, surprisingly most people who own a PC. Out of the last year, of 441 PCs brought in to be fixed/cleaned - over half - 273 PCs still had Win98 - 145 Has XP Home/Pro - 22 - Vista Home Basic - 1 with Windows 7 Home Premium. Its interesting to note that there were none that had Vista Home Premium or better. I even had one not to long ago that has ISA soundcard. And these are the machines people are using today!

    When people buy a PC for $1500 they expect it to last forever. So a sudden switch would force a lot of people to either buy a new PC or cling even longer to their old ones.

    I understand that is a small sample size but you have to realize most people don't build PCs like we do, they buy from Dell, HP, or even Wal-mart.

    And one other thing, some of the people using win98 converted to Ubuntu after using a live USB for a while, not really relevant to the discussion but interesting.
     
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    I would love to see what the WD Black Edition does when they apply 4K sectors to it. Comparing EARS to EADS shows some very good performance increases. It should do well on a Black Edition, especially on larger content.

    I currently have a EARS drive on Win7 and no issues. It's just a media storage drive so ultimately speed is not the main issue. Couple weeks ago I added a 1TB Black Edition to the mix as a work drive and that beauty is lightning fast in comparison, yet it is still a 512B sector drive.

    I still don't own a SSD and won't for some time given the stupid pricing, so whatever makes a spinny disk faster, larger and/or more efficient is good by me. BTW, the EARS drive power consumption is near non-existent. Fantastic thing. :)
     
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    No one with any sense uses XP anymore, thanks for the heads up though.
     
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    How does this differ with cluster size?
     
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    Yeah - using them as the system drive can be a little tricky, but for data drives, just jumper 7+8 and stick them in. I have 3 running in my WHS with absolutely no problems.

    The only complication will be when WHS2 comes along and you'll need to migrate the data off each drive, remove the jumper, and add them back into the pool. This will be the case for all disks very, very soon - the new Toshiba laptop drives (750GB) are advanced format too.
     
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    Am I being blind, or does the article not mention the real reason for doing this? 2TB hits the limit on sector numbers, so this has to be done to get disks over 2TB. It will happen again when we hit 16TB disks, probably to 32 or 64KB sectors.
     
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