What is central Europe supposed to do in the current migrant crisis?

You didn't answer my question though.

 

Where you asked what I was referring to?

 

@Yadda; As I said, that's not a solution to the aging German population. There's only one solution for that.

In many ways we are all slaves. I suppose the owners sat down and discussed how they could have their slaves A: house themselves B: pay for their own food C: pay for their own clothing D: pay for their own healthcare, yet take 70-80% of their slaves output, which is theft by the way.

 

Undoubtedly, but there's still a minimum requirement.

 

So the solution, as far as you're concerned, is for the EU member states to get stuck into a war of attrition?

I bet my dick the cost of a war that long and pointless is a shitload higher than the cost of some refugees.

 

German Viagra?

Too slow.

 

That made me laugh, who knows, perhaps it's as effective as tse Prussians themselves?

 

It's worth me mentioning that the German chap wasn't saying that mass migration was the solution, per se, to the aging German population. He was merely suggesting that helping the refugees could actually help Germany too.

 

IMO, helping them and getting them working would probably benefit any country. As Nexxo pointed out, immigrants to the UK are usually less picky about the work they do compared to the locals, because they've had it genuinely hard compared to here.

I'm convinced that, if we swapped our current perpetually unemployed JSA claimants (Edit: I know not all JSA claimants are 'tehevulz' or whatever, I mean the ones who constantly find reasons not to work) for immigrants/refugees with the right to work, we'd be better off.

 

Sooo.. Where does all this money come from?

Let's get involved in an unwinable war - Billions in cost to the tax payer
Let's raise wages so people will do jobs they think are beneath them - Millions or more in cost to employers

Just so we can still get refugees because "sorting out" the middle east and so on has worked so well and quickly in the past?

Sorry, but you're not going to convince me on this one. We, as in the West, have stuck their oars in far too many places and been paying for that for too long for it to make any kind of sense to suggest we stick our oar in again, especially when the goal is "saving money" on refugees.

Get the refugees in, get them working and being productive, and let where ever they came from sort their own **** out. Let the UN do what it's meant to (Except it has no balls whatsoever). Definitely don't get into another expensive war.

For what it's worth: German girlfriend, her entire family (and extended family) is working (Okay, maybe not the grandmother), and I've never once heard complaints of being underpaid.

 

Really good idea.

 

Trees.

 

The way politicians are playing around with our wealth these days one would think money grew on trees and resources were unlimited.

 

2.2 trillion in debt, and you think they should get involved in an unwinnable war?

Assuming they got involved to the same degree the UK has in Iraq - Which went wonderfully, by the way - that's 4.5 billion GBP. Or 6.1 billion Euros.

If they got involved to the tune of Americans?

That's 985 billion Euros.

Of debt.

Are you high or do you just want to see the world crumble like Greece? I honestly cannot understand how you think that cost would be higher than integrating some refugees. The cost of war is absolutely phenomenal, and believe me, it wouldn't be quick.

As for whether they complain or not, I don't think it's because they're brainwashed, I think it's because they're paid reasonably well.. Hell, her brother has just moved to a small - fairly expensive (and very nice, actually) - village-size place.

 

Sure it may cost a lot but isn't it better to have someone else to blame our problems on, if we're at war we can pretend all problems are their fault and nothing to do with us.

 

why hasn't Saudi , Qatar , UAE , china or Russia taken any of these boat people in?

 

1) Arabs don't help Arabs. Especially if they are not from the same religious group.
2) Your other suggestion comes from deep misunderstanding what is the reason for migration of these people. They go after the money. Are you wondering why aren't they asking for Asylum in Austria or Czech Republic ? Well, simple explanation is :
- Austria - 40 euro monthly cash plus food and roof above their head, only seasonal work allowed. If they don't live in asylum center, they get 120 euros monthly for rent. On top of that they have 150 euros yearly for clothing and 200 euros yearly for school items.
- Czech Republic - 30 CZK daily, which is ~900 CZK monthly, or 34 euros monthly. First 12 months they are not allowed to work.

Meanwhile in :
- Germany - 140 euros month plus food and roof above head. Once they are out of asylum center, they have 359 euros monthly, plus food and the rent is paid by state. They are not allowed to work for 3 months.
- UK - 50 euros per week, plus extra support for housing etc.
- Sweden - 60-225 euros per month plus extra support if not living in asylum center. No work restrictions.
- France - 340.5 euros if they don't live in asylum center; 91-718 euros if they live in asylum center depending on their family situation. No work for 9 months.

So no wonder they go for Germany/UK/Sweden/France, when those countries have 4-6 times higher monthly money allowance, plus even more money if you pass some additional criteria.

 

https://fullfact.org/live/2015/aug/immigration/uk_asylum_support_france-47383

 

Yup indeed. It's all about the money.

I'm sorry, but most of these people led pretty OK lives before their country got all shot up. Are they not allowed to try and flee to a place which maximises their chances of work, a reasonable quality of life and a future for their children?

I can't stress it enough: they may never be able to go back. How long have things been falling apart in Afghanistan? In Iraq? In Syria? When will things improve there? You tell me.

In the meantime these people need to be able to rebuild and get on with their lives. Their kids need to go to school and grow up --and when they have, it is likely that they will feel more at home in our countries than they ever did in their parents'. Refugees cannot be expected to live in a state of limbo for the next decade or more in the hope that one day their homeland gets its **** together.

What they need is a life and a future, not some state of limbo.

Look, it's simple. Either these people have human rights or they don't. If they do, that includes the whole package: freedom from persecution, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the whole deal. That is not limited to geographical borders. It's not: "You have human rights as long as you stay in your country. Outside it... not so much".

 

Not disagreeing with the reasons for wanting to GTFO there, but why now?
IIRC the war in Syria has been going on for 4 years now, why has the amount of people wanting to GTFO suddenly gone though the roof.