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Treated like **** by club security - should I do anything?

Discussion in 'Serious' started by boiled_elephant, 25 Aug 2014.

  1. Snips

    Snips I can do dat, giz a job

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    Isn't there a register or something that bouncers have to be listed. They all have to wear the armband licence thingy as well. Get someone to go in and take note of their numbers/names/reference as I believe they only get a few strikes and they are out and can't "legally" work as a bouncer/doormen.
     
  2. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    Supposedly they are meant to be licensed, but good luck in finding a door supervisors who is actually licensed
     
  3. Big_malc

    Big_malc Well-Known Member

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    They all are now and legally they are supposed to wear id but like most things after a complaint is made to any governing body they will investigate and what do you think the entire door staff / bouncers are going to say when interviewed.
     
  4. boiled_elephant

    boiled_elephant Whitelist Bit-Tech in your adblock!

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    No, no it isn't. You're part of the problem the moment you start saying that abuse doesn't matter, or that people should just be able to "deal with it".
    Done and done, but it's simply not the same - they hit about 130Db down there, and standing right beside one of those speakers is simply hynpotic. I love it. My neighbours would probably object if I tried to recreate this environment at home :)
     
  5. Ryu_ookami

    Ryu_ookami I write therefore I suffer.

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    If they are licensed doorman and legally if they are working the door they have to be, then they should be licensed by your local council.

    If you complain, then all they will do is say you were drunk or they believed you were a danger to the other customers and as there's no prove that you weren't then as far as the council is concerned it becomes a non-event, HOWEVER if enough of these complaints do occur over time then they can and will take what ever action they deem appropriate up to and including removing the doorman licence.

    Considering you have no idea how many other complaints have been made, it might be worth making one. It all depends on how much you want to push it.
     
  6. C-Sniper

    C-Sniper Stop Trolling this space Ądmins!

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    Since I am a manager in a nightclub, I can give you our perspective of the situation.

    Generally, if someone is standing in the corner for 15 min, eyes closed, we will assume you have passed out drunk and are leaning up against the wall. Now you were not combative, which is good because bouncers know how to hit you without leaving marks, when escorted outside. Since the bouncers are used to dealing with drunks/druggies, they honestly don't believe what you say when you are getting escorted out. The only thing they are focused on is getting you OUT of the club, and going back in to make sure that there was nothing that happened while kicking you out.

    As for not getting back in, that is standard club policy once someone has been kicked out. Anyone kicked out of our clubs is banned for the night, their Credit Card held securely if they left it, and as long as they didn't sexually assault someone, or punch the club owner, are welcome back any other day that the club is open.

    It sucks that you got bounced, BUT in my situation, if I saw someone doing the same thing as you were I would have the bouncer remove you as well. The fact of the matter is, we aren't sure what you are on, if you are beyond intoxicated, are about to puke, etc since the majority of people with their eyes closed are either drugged, passed out, or about to empty their stomach contents on the floor. And in any of those situations, we could be held liable for allowing you to drink more, or hurt our image with some guy puking on everyone. We would rather take the risk, and piss off one person in the night rather than piss off a lot of people when you puke on them, or get sued by continually providing you with alcohol when you are beyond blackout.

    Just an insiders perspective, but know that there are almost always no hard feelings unless you hit/fight a staff of the club
     
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  7. Nexxo

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    Do you love tinnitus? Just sayin'.
     
  8. Big_malc

    Big_malc Well-Known Member

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    Pardon ??
     
  9. Big_malc

    Big_malc Well-Known Member

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    double post
     
  10. damien c

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    ^^This

    At one point whilst I was not working, I went to try and get my license to be a Door Man and we were told that anyone who is stood with there eyes closed and not moving for longer than 3 minutes were to be ejected, from the club asap and to be handed over to paramedics or the police as there was potentially something wrong with them.

    I found that to be abit harsh because I have done that previously but then we were shown videos of what can happen, and after watching them I realized that actually it's a very good idea because it not only protects the club and the customers in side from any potential, hazards but it also means that the person being ejected can be dealt with as it's not always a case that the person, who was being ejected knew what they were doing as they could have been spiked.

    @op

    I know it is annoying but to be honest if I was you, I would be happy that they actually took you straight out as it seems to me that they were looking out for not only the clubs safety but yours as well.
     
  11. crazyg1zm0

    crazyg1zm0 Well-Known Member

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    All I would suggest Bud is find out which security agency they work at and contact them directly, and voice your concerns to the management. most of the clubs and what not in my experience dont care if someone has an issue with a doorman or member of security staff as they are not employed by the bar usually but an agency runs them etc.

    Was the club in a big city in lincolnshire or was it a small town club, as that usually matters when it comes to complains, your bigger city pubs and clubs dont care often enough but if its a small town club/pub they might give a damn a bit
     
  12. boiled_elephant

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    Appreciate the fresh perspectives, guys, thank you. I didn't know much about how club staff approach things like this. My boss, who also used to work as a club manager, recommended I write a complaint anyway just so they know it happened, if nothing else, as feedback is always valuable in shaping future policy and attitudes.

    A lot of it seems to come down to me simply being a more innocent and balanced individual than club staff are obliged to expect at 2am, which is a shame but not very surprising. I guess there's just a mismatch between how clubs actually work and how I'd like them to work (or between how I enjoy them and how a lot of people 'enjoy' them).

    edit -
    though on reflection, the one aspect of it all that still irritates me is how violent and aggressive the bouncer was. It seemed insanely over-the-top given how unimposing and passive I am, he just struck me as a power-tripping bully.
     
  13. Porkins' Wingman

    Porkins' Wingman Can't touch this

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    I think you might benefit from taking the perspective of the bouncer. Think about what their job is, the kinds of people they have to deal with and the kind of circumstances they are doing that in.

    Eg. Poorly lit interiors, loud music, crowded spaces, increased likelihood of aggressive behavior fuelled by drink and/or drugs, the fundamental need in their job to minimise trouble (be that violence or people falling badly ill due to excess alcohol or drugs) on the premises. Bouncers are quite understandably conditioned to eject people who might be trouble as quickly as possible, and by imposing themselves swiftly and physically it lets you know who's boss. If they show signs of softness, or uncertainty, it raises the risk of either you, your mates, or some tosser bystanders, escalating the situation.

    If someone's looking zoned out in their club, not spending money and possibly liable to fall ill, what incentive have they got to talk it through with you? They've got a club to watch over, the more time they spend listening to your protestations the less time their eyes are where they need to be, watching the rest of the potential trouble makers. That's their raison d'etre: sniff out trouble and get it to **** off of their premises asap.

    If you think I'm part of the problem then good luck pursuing your complaint. You're only up against a well-established culture that I'm fairly sure exists to a greater or lesser extent in every town in Britain. Just what do you hope to achieve? Your expectation to be treated fairly at all times is based on what?

    A bouncer using force to eject someone from their club is abuse?

    You weren't injured. Nothing was damaged or taken from you. It was 2am - what time do you reckon you'd have left of your own accord had they not disturbed you?
     
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  14. C-Sniper

    C-Sniper Stop Trolling this space Ądmins!

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    The reason they are aggressive is because they want to show you who is in charge immediately. We have had small kids require 3 bouncers, or people who as they see the door start flipping out and trying to fight their way against the bouncers. The more they put themselves in charge through aggression, the less likely you are to fight back and cause an issue that could escalate.
     
  15. boiled_elephant

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    Ideals and principles, or something, I guess. I don't know. Crazy old-fashioned notions that were presumably eroded by a steady river of alcohol and drugs when I wasn't looking. And, to a lesser extent, on long-accumulated experience of never being treated like that by any bouncer ever before.
     
  16. Teelzebub

    Teelzebub Up yours GOD,Whats best served cold

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    While I agree we should all live by certain principles the reality is very few people do, I've always said the most disappointing thing in life is other people.

    I would mark it up to experience and move on
     
  17. Shirty

    Shirty Time travelling rogue Super Moderator

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    Misanthropy cheesecake :D
     
  18. Teelzebub

    Teelzebub Up yours GOD,Whats best served cold

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    Yup and I hate cheesecake as well
     
  19. Nexxo

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    Freak!
     
  20. Teelzebub

    Teelzebub Up yours GOD,Whats best served cold

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    Aw, Nexxy you say the nicest things ;) [​IMG]
     
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