Yup pretty much this I'm not an EVangelist but some of the EV viewpoints on here Is this a tech forum or mumsnet Do you think a Hybrid some how will never fail and has magic batteries, lets think about the worst use case for batteries, continual battery cycling never mind the complexity of integration on some of these things, I have one BTW, I'm not knocking, just best to not to be blind about it being some how better. a well managed large EV battery has better prospects than one in a hybrid but there's plenty of evidence to show that even they last fine. While the general feeling is oh its OK I have the ICE if this battery does not work, can it be taken out of the system so easily, all the emissions based stuff will rely on the 48v system, stop start etc. how is that car going to function? Get some costs on replacing that, and its associated gubbins, plus the costs of servicing and repair of the ICE side itself you'll find it surprisingly high. No machine is going to be cheap to run EV or ICE, an EV for the most part should at least save you a stack in fuel and servicing (assuming home charging) as it is a bit simpler, if you buy as a company car the tax is also super cheap. Batteries on EVs wouldn't be my concern, longevity of the motors etc, the effect of the high current systems and their longevity when built to a mass production profit model (cheap as f&*k), batteries are actually serviceable and don't need full replacement, it's just not something that's really done 3rd party as there's not a market for it, there aren't many needing it, but it'd appear if there was a need, the motors and supporting hardware....not sure that'll be the case, need that crystal ball to determine that. Want a nice reliable, repairable motor probably best not to buy anything from the past 10-15yrs, once all the Euro standards started kicking in the complexity of standard ICE stuff has gone a bit silly. Of course you need to ensure your cheap old banger has a replacement market for repairability at that age, need some good crystal ball work. I don't think many are that blinkered, whole life costs are much the same in terms of CO2 particularly in the UK, EV or ICE, can't argue with the improvement in local emissions though, I did choose to go for mine for wishy washy green reasons, I'm not ashamed to say that, more so air pollution around town and the areas the car spends loitering waiting for kids etc with us sat in heat/ac engine running, the running cost etc, I don't care about personally but I'm not upset a 2 tonne SUV is doing the equivalent of 100mpgs in stop start traffic despite being a terribly inefficient PHEV, an efficient EV would be more than 2x as efficient on the electrons. Indeed, I have taken so many cars over 100k mostly petrol for me and a few near 200k, I have couple of cars now @ 100k, they should go on for a couple of years yet and didn't need major work, but of course the level of servicing they require is not to be understated alongside the running costs for that period, and they are most definitely very used and feel it. At 10-12k Why would you buy a leaf and not just get a home battery at that size for half the price which can always stay with home, surely it is more convenient, just wondering? Used to be me pre covid, Bristol to Maidenhead commute, wanted an EV to maximize cost savings but it was too marginal to choose EV, I'd have no qualms with a Tesla, 200+ is easy for them but the EVs I liked, like the Polestar were rubbish on economy.