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Discussion in 'General' started by Mr_Mistoffelees, 10 Aug 2023.

  1. Almightyrastus

    Almightyrastus On the jazz.

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    Depends on the particular standard and how many parts. BS EN IEC 62305 (lightning) is in 4 parts, 3 of which cost £462 and 1 part is £330. The two earthing standards are both single documents, BS 7430 and BS EN 50522 are both £330, and the latest version of BS 7671 (wiring regs) is a BSI subscription only document at the moment.

    Shouldn't be an issue for a company as large as ABB, but as I said, they are pretty niche standards, even for a company that specified in electrification and automation. We sort of came along for the ride when our previous parent company was bought so we are this little corner of the business who does things that most folks don't know is a thing, let alone understand so I get that these standards are not part of our greater library, it's just frustrating that I make the requests, put in a business justification, but don't hear anything.
     
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  2. Byron C

    Byron C I was told there would be cheesecake…?

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    So… £1122 plus a monthly subscription for documents which are not yet but may will soon be highly critical to your business…? Justifying such a trivial amount seems needlessly bureaucratic, the very definition of a box-ticking ‘cover my arse’ exercise.

    But… I have more than my fair share of bureaucratic box-ticking bollocks already under my belt, so you have my sympathies!
     
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  3. mrlongbeard

    mrlongbeard Multimodder

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    Depending on which modules they've got and the number of users they allow access the subscription will not be a trivial amount.
    I've got access to 20,000 standards that I can download through 6 BSOL modules and I'd hate to think how much it costs, and even then I need access to standards not in our subscription that I'd struggle to get signed off at my place.
     
  4. mrlongbeard

    mrlongbeard Multimodder

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    Are you not a BSI / BSOL member? because member prices for standards are usually half
     
  5. Byron C

    Byron C I was told there would be cheesecake…?

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    But if those subscriptions are needed in order to actually continue running the business, it shouldn’t need to be something that you have to provide a “business justification” for. Signoff for a high cost, sure, because you can’t allow people to spend thousands upon thousands willy-nilly. But a “business justification”…? It should be pretty obvious: “We can’t provide a service to our customers without it, if that happens then the business stops making money and we all lose our jobs.”
     
  6. mrlongbeard

    mrlongbeard Multimodder

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    I don't disagree, although they could get way without having the subscription and just buy the standards outright, (if it weren't for the 7671 standard) shame it's not so obvious to those with the purse strings.

    Or they could go to a.n.other countries standard supplier and get a 300+ quid standard for 12 euros https://www.evs.ee/en/evs-en-50522-2022-a1-2024 but that may not align with their internal systems / industry accreditation
     
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  7. Byron C

    Byron C I was told there would be cheesecake…?

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    Yeah, and that’s what I mean by “bureaucratic box-ticking bollocks” :happy:. “This is a lot of money, I am in fear of reprisals over this much money being spent, I better make sure I can prove it’s someone else’s fault in case I ever get uncomfortable questions.” So much pointless busywork that we all wasted our time with at ThatBank was, in one way or another, an exercise in deflection of responsibility driven by an institutionalised culture of fear; fear of managers, fear of directors, fear of execs, fear of the board, fear of investors, fear of shareholders, fear of affecting profit, fear of legal liabilities, fear of regulators, etc.
     
  8. Almightyrastus

    Almightyrastus On the jazz.

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    I sit next to a guy who writes the standards....

    Actually I am not sure on our current membership status, it is ever likely that things have slipped over the years due to people leaving and others not knowing who did what.
     
  9. David

    David μoʍ ɼouმ qᴉq λon ƨbԍuq ϝʁλᴉuმ ϝo ʁԍɑq ϝμᴉƨ

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    Tesco, if you market a selection of your Avocados as "perfectly ripe", I shouldn't need a ****ing chisel to scoop out the flesh! :miffed:
     
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  10. adidan

    adidan Guesswork is still work

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    MIDDLE CLASS CRISIS ALERT!!!!

    Go on soldier, smash that avocado you big brute.


    :p
     
  11. Mr_Mistoffelees

    Mr_Mistoffelees The Bit-Tech Cat. New Improved Version.

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    Airband are taking the piss, sending emails offering 1Gb FTTP, after last year abandoning their plans to connect our village…
     
  12. David

    David μoʍ ɼouმ qᴉq λon ƨbԍuq ϝʁλᴉuმ ϝo ʁԍɑq ϝμᴉƨ

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    Middle class? 80p each?
     
  13. Mr_Mistoffelees

    Mr_Mistoffelees The Bit-Tech Cat. New Improved Version.

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    You may find it easier with a spoon bent gouge..

    [​IMG]
     
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  14. David

    David μoʍ ɼouმ qᴉq λon ƨbԍuq ϝʁλᴉuმ ϝo ʁԍɑq ϝμᴉƨ

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    Woah, did you get them from Apple or Nvidia?
     
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  15. adidan

    adidan Guesswork is still work

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    Look at you flashing the cash m'Lord


    :happy:

    E: Disclaimer: My OH like avocados and it's not been unknown for her to complain about them being rock solid and then going straight to being off.

    It seems some have a ripe time of approximately 13 seconds.
     
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  16. Arboreal

    Arboreal Keeper of the Electric Currants

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    The realisation that an iPhone can do stuff that few android models can.
    I watched a couple of guys at work today scan the inside of a workshop with an app that used the LIDAR on iPhone Pro models to model the space with useable measurements
     
  17. Byron C

    Byron C I was told there would be cheesecake…?

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    Honestly, there’s some pretty damned amazing tech stuffed in there.
     
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  18. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Lover of bit-tech Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

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    Google did have its own (well, integrated third-party) version of this, which it then... abandoned. Shocking, I know. It was going to be a whole thing for augmented reality, indoor mapping, you name it.

    There are still some Android handsets with lidar, but not many, and as a result no bugger develops for it 'cos there's no audience.
     
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  19. Arboreal

    Arboreal Keeper of the Electric Currants

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    As a decade or more Android phone user, I’m conflicted about Apple and their paternal OS and “walled garden” approach.
    It’s great for my mum having an iPad that’s safe and predictable and them having a limited number of SKUs to maximise compatibility with things like my drone, and now this clever re use of LiDAR.
    I bought an iPad mini to use with my DJI drone as it was sketchy with even some Samsung tablets.
    It’s been great, but there’s something I really dislike about Safari, which I can’t explain, it feels as grotty as using iTunes in the old days.
    I know that Mac/iPhone/iPad integration is amazing, but there’s something that feels limiting on iOS that grates compared to Android.
    I’m typing on it now, my phone is off and the mini is my bedside companion at both ends of the day.
    While I’m on a rant, why does the mini have to be so much more expensive than larger models, and why are there no decent 8” Android tablets any more?
    I guess the market dictates what’s on offer.
     
  20. Pete J

    Pete J Employed scum

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    Driving back home on the old M5/6 combo yesterday, getting stuck in the usual rush hour traffic. Some tit in a VW Golf with a twatty personalised numberplate weaving in and out, smoking weed WHILST DRIVING (I could smell it through my fudging air con system, and the smoke was billowing out of his window).

    Should've reported it to police I guess, but was worn down by the sheer stupidity. I hope natural selection takes its course, without any innocents being affected.

    Also there was a cyclist on the M6.
     
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