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News Windows 8 to copy iPhone OS?

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by CardJoe, 29 Jun 2010.

  1. SaNdCrAwLeR

    SaNdCrAwLeR New Member

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    what the hell are you on about?
    Next OS coming from Microsoft wont even have the Windows tag name,
    it's Project Midori, a cloud-based OS...
    in that case yes, an App-store system is more than required since the idea is to have all the programs and services available to the users directly on the server-side (hence no need to download anything)
    also...
    Appstore is not a copy of Apple iPhone, it's more of a copy of Ubuntu an linux
     
  2. flaming_goat

    flaming_goat New Member

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    i think an app store would be a good idea if it was like in linux. I love being able to download an app really easily with just a few clicks. I doubt Microsoft's will be as good as in linux though and everything will be charged for i expect. :(
     
  3. Phil Rhodes

    Phil Rhodes Hypernobber

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    Still using XP. Still looking for a single new feature in 7 that I care about. Still not finding one. Their headline new feature seems to be that you can snap two windows into the two halves of the screen. I can hardly contain myself.

    And I'm building a new machine soon. Ideal time to upgrade the OS. And yet, why should I bother?
     
  4. dyzophoria

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    to his own I guess. i doubt im going back to XP, 7 and Vista are far far stable than Xp for my needs. if XP works for you then use it. if OSX works for you , why not :)
     
  5. Altron

    Altron Well-Known Member

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    Just think about the convenience!

    The old way to do it, you had to move your mouse to the taskbar, right click, then move your moust up about half an inch, and left click on "Tile Windows Vertically". It took FOUR steps. And it worked with any number of windows - could also do three or four window view, not just two.

    The new way is much better! You have to move your mouse to the title bar of the first window, click to switch it from maximized to the pane view, hold left click, drag it all the way to one side of the screen, release left click, move your mouse all the way to the other side of the screen, grab the other windows title bar, switch it from maximized to pane view, hold left click, and drag it all the way off the screen again before releasing left click. This time, it took SEVEN steps. Because it's Windows SEVEN. And, of course, it's only a two window view. But come on, it's not like you could ever want more than two things open at a time, would you? It'd be just as pointless as having over three gigs of RAM.

    And, everyone knows that SEVEN is better than FOUR.

    Get with the times dude. Why do it the old-fashioned way when you could do it the SEVEN way?

    Stop being a noob. You're completely ignoring the OTHER awesome and completely brand new features that have never been on a computer EVER. The newest advertisements say that if you have different files on multiple computers, you can access them on other computers. Wow. That is revolutionary right there. It's almost as if you had a network, just in your local area. Windows 7 sure was my idea. I always wanted to be able to use network file-sharing, a feature that was surprisingly absent from EVERY COMPUTER BEFORE WINDOWS SEVEN.

    And don't get me started on the AMAZING ability to output video from your TV. You know, back in the day when I was overclocking my Geforce 2 MX 400 64MB to try to get above 2,000 points in 3DMark01, I thought to myself "Wow, this is great and all, but I really wished there was some port on it that could output in a format that my TV could display". You know, maybe some sort of four pin video connector, maybe it has the letter "S" involved. Too bad that has never existed before, ever. I'm glad Microsoft stepped up their game and added TV-Out support. I mean, I know TVs have had VGA, DVI, and S-Video inputs for like a decade, and that computers have had VGA, DVI, and S-Video outputs for roughly the same amount of time. It's a wonder that nobody was ever able to use the two things together before Windows 7. How could we have been so blind? Thank you, Microsoft, for adding this feature we have so desperately needed to Windows 7.
     
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  6. Sloth

    Sloth #yolo #swag

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    +1

    My mom loves her laptop but is quite inept at using it and frequently comes to me asking for help. I'm sure if I said "You'll need a PDF reader. Go to download.com and search for one" it would result in her coming back 15 minutes later flustered and confused. Is this a good one? How do I know it's not a virus? Is that what I need? Will it do this and that?

    Even installing Firefox was too much for her because she didn't know where to get it (entering "Firefox.com" will take you to the download page, yes that is too hard for some people) and was afraid of phishing in case she went to a "Fakefox site" (her words, not mine. I'll admit it was clever).

    It would be so much easier for the majority of users and does nothing to impede more experienced users. I'll admit that it would be nice to simply pop open a browser for applications and just pick one, even when I know how to search for them on the internet. Pop open store, type in "Open Office" or whatever I want, click on download button. Done.
     
  7. leslie

    leslie Just me!

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    Gee, I didn't see this coming.
    Who will roll it out first MS or Apple?

    Now you get to wait for MS to approve the anti-virus that fixes trojan that got in through the hole that MS says doesn't exist and won't be patched for weeks if ever. I'm not touching a locked down operating system, especially one made by a company known to engage in illegal business practices and shoddy workmanship.
     
  8. SNIPERMikeUK

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    Microsoft ripped many of us off with Vista, if this happens with Windows7, I will lose faith in them....
     
  9. Fordy

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    Kudos, my man, kudos.

    Most notably - Linux!! Ubuntu Software Center is a much closer match to how MS would ever implement it in Windows than Apple's mobile device App Store.

    And besides, MS already half have an "App Store" for things like Gagdets. Such a feature would be a great help, especially for indie developers to get their software out there and heard of, and with any luck make some money.
     
  10. cebla

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    Some of you seem to be suggesting that the windows app store would be the only way to install software. You can pretty much be guaranteed that that will not be the case as MS has nearly always done everything possible to keep things backwards compatible.

    @Altron: I believe MS does the signed driver crap so that they can test the driver before everyone starts using it. This means that a signed driver is a whole lot more likely to be stable than one that is not signed. Seeing as how nearly all Windows crashes are caused by bad drivers and MS gets the blame even though it isn't their fault you can see why they like the idea of testing and signing them. I realise that it costs the manufacturers money, but MS will test the driver on a wide range of setups which is probably better than what the manufacturer could do by themselves.
     
  11. cebla

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    You can just press Windows + Left or Right arrows to dock the window to one side. You can also press Windows + Up Arrow to maximize the window and Windows + Down arrow to un-maximize it.

    However even if you do it with the mouse it is still quicker than it used to be, because you actually only have one step which is to drag the title bar and drag it to one side of the monitor. Even if the window is maximized this will work. It is also nice when you have a multi-monitor setup as you can just drag a window from one monitor to the other even if it was maximized thus removing the step of having to un-maximize the window first.

    It is true though that in the default configuration you can't so easily tile more than two windows and it isn't easy to tile them verticaly anymore. However this doesn't effect me much as I pretty much never want to do either as having a widescreen monitor it is better to tile horizontally and I don't normally want more than 2 windows anyway and when I do I have 2 monitors so that isn't really a problem.
     
  12. Altron

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    I was being overly sarcastic, in case that wasn't clear. What I'm getting at more is that throughout the Windows 7 ad campaign, they focused on features that have been implemented in Windows for decades. Maybe they're streamlined a bit more, but they're still basic features that most of us were using long before Windows 7 came out.

    Is it cool that there is a second way to do it? Yeah. Would I upgrade to a new OS for that feature? Of course not.

    I certainly understand where they're coming from, in promoting features that have always been there but most people didn't know about, or common features that have been simplified, but I just find it so silly that the Windows 7 advertisements are promoting a second method to access a feature that dates back to Windows 95 as a revolutionary new advance in computing technology.
     
  13. Saivert

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    oh I forgot I'm listening to people who actually pay for their OS. I'm sure they would stick around with XP as Windows 7 costs too much.
     
  14. crazyceo

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    What you are quoting is very early Beta data and will not be the finished product. Reserve judgement until its released.
     
  15. <A88>

    <A88> Trust the Computer

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    What with Windows 7 being the biggest Amazon UK pre-order ever, I have a feeling you might be wrong.

    All sounds good to me to be honest. Desktop software is struggling in the face of web apps and smartphone software which is easily obtainable and in plentiful supply. If Microsoft can simplify the system of installing programs then it might encourage developers to target the full OS again; smartphones have proven than people will still happily pay for code if it doesn't cause them hassle.

    Edit:From what I recall, Microsoft actually used to have a browser based software store anyway which included a 'digital locker' for storing software licenses and allowing you to download programs onto new systems. So there.
     
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  16. DarkFear

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    Let's hope it's better than Win 7. Who knows, I might end up switching from Vista to 8... (Although to be honest, I sold my iPhone after about 3 months, so if Windows turns out to be similar....yeah)

    If the Windows Store is done properly, I can see it making live easier for not-so-tech-savvy people, which would be a good thing...
     
  17. leslie

    leslie Just me!

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    In some ways, I agree, I don't think they will.
    On the other hand...

    They see how the Iphone has worked out, they also know the earning potential of being in control of this. Worse though is how many times MS has done things regardless of logic or what customers wanted in the name of having more monopolistic control over things.

    This would give them a LOT of control and money. Even if they don't lock it down this time, this could give them the incentive to do so.

    No.

    From Microsoft
    "A signed driver is a device driver that includes a digital signature. A digital signature is an electronic security mark that can indicate the publisher of the software, as well as whether someone has changed the original contents of the driver package. If a driver has been signed by a publisher that has verified its identity with a certification authority, you can be confident that the driver actually comes from that publisher and hasn't been altered."
     
  18. ou7blaze

    ou7blaze sensational.

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    You really believe that? Maybe I'm cynical but it reminds me of the Apple employee who "accidentally" left the iPhone prototype in a cafe toilet.
     
  19. dark_avenger

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    Pretty much how apple sells all there products in other words?
    "Hey look at our new ****, it does everything that 6 other products do but look its shiny and even an idiot can use it!"
    M$ are a buisness and they see that apple is starting to shift alot more product with the way they advertise, seems logical that M$ would try and copy that to a degree.

    I'm guessing your talking about just unlocking the devices because my Windows 7 desktop boots faster than my iPhone without a doubt (both from cold boot)
     
  20. Xir

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    Hmmm, this is a hardware site...why isn't the quality of "TV-out" tested on graphiccards anymore?
    (Yeah, I know it's digital now...still doesn't always work properly though) :grr:

    Why is instant-on so difficult?

    I understand it takes time to go though BIOS, load all the drivers etc. etc.
    But wait, how often must this be done? Hmmm, after every hardware change, really.
    How often does Joe-Average...or even us geeks change their hardware?
    Not every time you turn of your computer? Welll, why perform all this then?
    You could put the drivers and config in flash, and copy them into the main memory in X seconds and that would be your boot time.
    Yeah, that's one of the sleep states, i know...and you need to reboot anyway once a week because windows starts acting funny after a while of prolonged use.
    But comeon, it's not THAT difficult. :D
     
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