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AMD VS. Intel

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by m0nk3y, 20 Nov 2002.

  1. sinizterguy

    sinizterguy Dark & Sinizter

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    The new Intel 3.06 GHz with Hyperthreading should go to 4 GHz - 4.1 GHz on a Prometeia cooling system.

    Should get a motherboard with dual channel DDR and then AMD probably couldnt touch it.... But it would flatten your wallet well and thoroughly.

    I'd still stick with a Prometeia and an Athlon XP 2700+ and the NForce2 chipset with dual channel DDR I think....


    Is AMD or Intel better for MP3 encoding and DivX encoding ? And does the SSE2 enhancement make a lot of difference ?
     
  2. ZapWizard

    ZapWizard Enter the Mod Matrix

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    Quote from Comdex:


    Don't get left behind when 64bit arrives, Stick with AMD
     
  3. sinizterguy

    sinizterguy Dark & Sinizter

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    I have slightly over £2000 cleared for a new desktop ... already got keyboard, mouse and a Samsung 150MP monitor .... gonna stick with those, so this money is solely for the hardware.

    Probably gonna get the prometeia cooling system too....

    Now, I am gonna wait till christmas/new year anyway. Should I wait a bit longer for the hammer or should I just get the fastest system I can get at that time ? Hopefully the 2800+ should be widely available by that time, if i choose to build the system then.
     
  4. m0nk3y

    m0nk3y What's a Dremel?

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    seems ur in the same shoes as me sinizterguy. I want to build a new pc now but I know Athlon 64 bit cpus are comin out soon.


    When exactly are they suppose to hit the market and what price range are they?


    I think with the NV30 series graphics cards and the new 64bit CPU comin out i have my system planned out but damn i dont wanna wait. Maybe I will do all the mods now and just have my case waitin for the lovely hardware.


    And damnit! Ever since i found the Prometria cooling system my plans pure "original" system are scrap. What I was planning on doing has never been done before and I think I will keep them a secret and do them at a later time.
     
  5. ZapWizard

    ZapWizard Enter the Mod Matrix

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    That's my plan, Just watched all one hour and thirty minutes of that NV30 movie. Sorry ATI, but I'm converting.
     
  6. m0nk3y

    m0nk3y What's a Dremel?

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    WHERE? :eeek:
     
  7. sinizterguy

    sinizterguy Dark & Sinizter

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    Yeah, where ? I want a copy ?
     
  8. m0nk3y

    m0nk3y What's a Dremel?

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    All I can say is OMG! I have never seen anything so amazing in my entire life!

    the video can be seen from www.nvidia.com there is a link on the left side its an hour and a half so have some time.


    The technology and demos previewed in the video are just simply OUT OF THIS WORLD!

    Feb cannot come soon enough
     
  9. JADS

    JADS Et arma et verba vulnerant

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    wow a whole 1 application. /me fails to be impressed.
     
  10. 8-BALL

    8-BALL Theory would dictate.....

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    The way I see it, there are going to be two options come Q2 next year. (maybe into Q3).

    Athlon 64 or the Preston cored P4 (90nm process)

    Both of these will have their advantages.

    Athlon 64

    For starters, it's a 64 bit processor. The new architecture seems to be quite impressive, particularly the memory subsystem. Low heat is also a big benefit, resulting from the SOI construction.

    Preston P4

    On the other hand, the Preston will probably appear at 3.2GHz-3.3GHZ, with an 800MHz FSB. This will be available with the canterwood Northbridge, offering Dual Channel DDR400.

    The way I see it, it wouldn't be hard to overclock this to a 1GHz FSB with Dual Channel DDR500. Combine this with Hyperthreading to take advantage of what would be double the memory bandwidth of 1066 RDRAM, and again you have a very high performance system.


    However, in both cases, there is a reliance on Game programmers to offer support 64bit or multi processor support.

    For those people interested in building gaming systems, I would advise waiting to see which games support which modes of operation.

    In the nearer future, I see the P4 system being more functional, yet as more and more 64bit programs come to market, I believe it would be time to move back to AMD. Until you are satisfied that you know what's going to happen with these technologies, I would wait.

    Just my 2p

    8-ball
     
  11. 8-BALL

    8-BALL Theory would dictate.....

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    Also worth noting, is that intel may be releasing the earlier cpu's with the 800MHz FSB. Even as far down as 2.4GHz

    Provided the northbridge is a good overclocker, these should offer very high FSB scores.
     
  12. sinizterguy

    sinizterguy Dark & Sinizter

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    For me its not going to be a gaming system ...

    Mainly mp3 encoding and divx encoding ....

    And overclocking of course....

    Just want the best performance for normal things ... and folding@home ...
     
  13. 8-BALL

    8-BALL Theory would dictate.....

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    I guess in that case, it depends whether or not the programs you use for DIVx and MP3 encoding can take advantage of SMP or 64bit processing.

    I'll let you decide.

    8-Ball
     
  14. m0nk3y

    m0nk3y What's a Dremel?

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    :waah: :waah:

    I want a new system!

    I want a new NV30 GPU

    I want a new AMD XP Chip

    I want a new Epox Mobo

    I want a new Lian-Li

    I want a new Enermax 500w P/S

    I want a new Itron VFD 64x

    I want a DVD-RW drive

    I want a SB Extigy Platinum

    I want a dual 21" CRT monitor setup

    :waah: :waah:


    my christmas list gets bigger and bigger and my wallet gets smaller and smaller
     
  15. DJMyst

    DJMyst yeah baby

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    I gave up on asking for PC stuff for XMas a long time ago. Now I just gotta save and see what happens. My 'Next PC Fund' is getting quite nice though. :D:D:D:D:D

    Oh and I like AMD just because. Dollar for dollar, they have a better price v performance ratio, and I like helping out the unerdog. :D
     
  16. ZapWizard

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    /you: Are very near-sighted, and should not post anything.

    Unreal 2003 64Bit is ONE game, yes but there are hundreds in development.
    (Some we even test here at AMD)

    Along with Custom 64-bit version of Windows, Linux, and other OS's that will make the K8 the fastest chip period.

    Intel chips with a 800Mhz FSB will not compare to the K8's Hypertransport.

    And 800Mhz FSB will link the Intel chip to a Northbridge, still limiting the total bandwidth to your memory, AGP and other's.

    The 800Mhz Hypertransport link on the K8 can have up to 8 transmit and 8 receive links. All links are DDR effectivly making the clock 1600Mhz. The Memory Controller and Northbridge are integerated on the chip, giving direct access to memory, freeing up the connections to AGP and PCIx.
    PCIx alone is a HUGE increase, giving 133Mhz x 64Bit PCI slots.
    (Compare to normal PCI 66mhz x 32bit)
    That's double the data flow, and clock.

    It is hard to phathom why anyone compares K8's to future Intel processors. The difference is not just the frequency and FSB.
     
  17. 8-BALL

    8-BALL Theory would dictate.....

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    Zap,

    I understand that the K8 and the upcoming P$ processors are a world apart. I meant no offence with my comments.

    What you must understand is that I have been trying to decide what to do with my pc at the moment with regards to AMD/Intel, whether to upgrade the one I have, or whether to start afresh.

    I have been reading through a lot of sites trying to best work out what each company is going to be doing over the next 6 months or so.

    The idea behind my post was to share as much of the information that I had picked up as possible, so people can make decisions.

    I wasn't trying to make comparisons, just suggest what was likely to be available.

    However, I still stand by my opinion that the first programs optimised for 64bit processing are likely to be the business oriented programs, with games following afterwards. It is also likely that the P$ with the 800MHz FSB wil be with us sooner.

    This still doesn't change the fact that the K8 is a huge leap forward, both in process design and architecture, and I will be buying one!

    That said, can I ask a couple of questions.

    Feel free to decline to answer if the information is not yet public knowledge. I wouldn't want you to lose your job or anything daft like that.

    1. The PCIx which you spoke of. Will this be available on all the K8 platforms, or just those utilising the AMD chipsets. For example, I heard speak or the Crush K8 chipset maybe using the same southbridge as for the Athlon XP.

    From what I can tell, PCIx would be a very sound option if using hardware PCI raid cards as they tend to be higher performance than the onboard ones yet limited by the PCI bus. (I seem to remember that they performed very well on the Athlon MP platforms due to the 66MHz Pci bus)

    2. Roughly what speed will we see them at? 2GHz or more?

    Am I correct in saying the recent demos have been for a 1.4GHz proc, which was outperforming a 2.2GHz P4 just running 32bit applications.

    Can't think of any more questions, other than

    Is it going to be priced competitively with the P$?
    (I would imagine the Preston cored P4 on a 90nm process would cost an arm and probably both legs on release)

    Thanks

    8-ball
     
  18. metz2000

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    Intel have always impressed me... AMD always seem to be chasing their dreams, whereas Intel are living their dreams..
     
  19. ZapWizard

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    I did not take offence to your comments.
    (But to JStormont's comment)

    I respect your comments, and they are very well thought out.

    Now in answer to your questions
    This will be avilable to any OEM who wants it, and any chip-set manufacture who makes it. (It's not propriatary, just a specification)

    Now I have yet to see and OEM board use it, then again the server boards don't have AGP either. So it's a mixed bag, it will probably be phases in to boards later.
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    As for the southbridge...
    /me walkes six feet...looks at actual nVidia Crush K8 board...
    Nope, not a single AMD chip (Well besides the Clawhammer)
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    I have not seen any K8 Oem boards with K7 SB's
    There is an AMD designed SB of course that OEM can use.
    An OEM could use the K7 SB if they wanted, this would not hurt preformance, as it only interfaces to slow perephrials.
    But it would limit future add-ons.

    I can't say
    You are correct, even at 1.4Ghz it will outpreform most anything out there. I work on a 800Mhz engineering sample chip and it's insainly fast.

    I dont not know the pricing, my guess is that the Sledgehammer (Opteron) will be prices high to compete with XEON and other server chips.
    And the ClawHammer (Athlon 64 :wallbash: ) will be priced competitively with the Pentiums
     
  20. ZapWizard

    ZapWizard Enter the Mod Matrix

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    I hate dreaming, such a waste of time.
    Good thing AMD is in the real world.
    Dream on buddy.
     

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