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  1. yuusou

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  2. Mr_Mistoffelees

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    The reaction AI-LLM's is getting it might be worth it's own thread. :)
     
  4. Mr_Mistoffelees

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  5. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    So just like the CEOs of the companies that created them?

    All algorithms inherit the biases of their creator example #2241634
     
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    Pete J Employed scum

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  8. Gareth Halfacree

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    John McAfee's back from the dead, and he's shilling a scamcoin!

    upload_2025-1-24_17-38-16.png

    ...which, to be fair, is very on-brand. (No, I don't use Twitter any more, someone posted the screenshot to Mastodon.)
     
  9. Mr_Mistoffelees

    Mr_Mistoffelees The Bit-Tech Cat. New Improved Version.

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    Today in Hambridge, Somerset. (from BBC Somerset)
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  10. Byron C

    Byron C I was told there would be cheesecake…?

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    Couldn't have happened to a nicer company.

    Context. TL;DR: Chinese AI outfit DeepSeek uses crippled "GPU" hardware to produce a product cheaper than OpenAI's offerings with a model that outperforms OpenAI's best efforts across a range of metrics. And then makes the model open source freely available.

    But while we bask in a slightly amused and slightly smug air of superiority, let's all take a moment to remember the real victims of this tragedy: Jensen's yacht money.

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  11. Gareth Halfacree

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    Freely available, but not open source per the OSI's definition - they don't provide what you'd need to build it yourself, only what you need to use it.
     
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  12. Byron C

    Byron C I was told there would be cheesecake…?

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    Ta, have edited.

    I knew there was more nuance to it than the “it’s open source” that I’ve seen reported. I did try to find out what “open source” actually means in this context, but my brain immediately turned to jelly at the prospect of wading through the breathless hyperbole that search engines produce these days. It has been a long day and I do not have the energy :happy:

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    In DeepSeek's defence, none of the other "open source" LLMs are open source either. At least what they *have* released is under MIT, so you can pretty much do what you like with it; Meta's "open source" stuff tends to use a custom licence which lets you do pretty much what you like with it unless you successfully turn a profit or try to compete with Meta, in which case your licence is immediately revoked.

    As to whether you'd want to use it, well. The full-fat model (which you can download, but good luck running it if you haven't got your own data centre packed with Nvidia's latest and greatest) seems to pass the "strawberry" test (i.e. pretends it can count the number of Rs in the word), but will always hallucinate rather than admit it doesn't know something. Unless you ask it about Tienanmen Square (in which case it says it can't talk about it and redirects you to other topics) or Uyghur Muslims (which it says are very much enjoying their free and comfortable lives in China.)
     
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    I mean that still only puts the share price to what it was in... October? And still values ~2x what they were this time last year...

    I don;t think Jensen is crying into his pleather jacket just yet...
     
  15. Byron C

    Byron C I was told there would be cheesecake…?

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    If you mean the full 671b model, then... yeah... good luck with that

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    I could conceivably just about get away with the 32b model on my work Macbook; I've run similarly-sized models on that machine, but it does start to chug after a few interactions. On a "regular" GPU you're well into Nvidia's x090 territory for that size.

    And before anyone thinks I've taken leave of my senses... Our outfit and CTO is deep into the "AI" hype, and one of my colleagues complained about needing to pay for OpenAI credit in order to have ChatGPT "help" fix a bug in a Python file they were working on. It took all my self-control to translate "just what in the shitting hell are you doing uploading proprietary intellectual property to the shitting Plagiarism Bot" into something that was both: SFW, and didn't make me sound like an arrogant tool. I immediately set about figuring out how to run Open WebUI & Ollama locally - if they're going to use this crap, and upload the proprietary code to this crap, I can at least make sure that it doesn't go any further than their freakin' laptop.

    "The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia."

    Well, yeah, if you expand it out to 5 years then it rather paints a picture...

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    To be clear I'm not cheering on the CCP, and I don't think that CCP oligarchy is preferable to hypercapitalist big tech oligarchy. But it's still nice to know that while we're in a hype bubble there are people holding pins.
     
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    That is the one I mean, though it only activates 37 billion of those. "Only".

    My news piece on it all is 'ere.
     
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  17. Byron C

    Byron C I was told there would be cheesecake…?

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    Ta muchly :thumb:. I'll have a proper look in the morning (brain is still soup right now :grin:), it'll be nice to read something about this that avoids the dizzingly breathless hype and doesn't dumb down the detail into meaninglessness.

    Side rant: I find that website slightly infuriating to navigate. What's wrong with having https://www.hackster.io/news/all, or https://www.hackster.io/news/latest, to just show me a feed in chronological order. Instead the 'news' page is dominated by a featured article you wrote 5 days ago, then something someone else wrote 9 days ago, then something someone ese wrote 6 days ago; only if you scroll past that do you see the chronological feed. And your 'author page' isn't even up to date! The most recent article showing on there is something from three days ago even though I can damn well see articles with your name on them from 29 minutes ago, 30 minutes ago, 2hrs ago...!

    The modern web sucks! ['grr geroff my lawn, bloody kids these days' intensifies]

    EDIT: Found the Atom feed - that's better :happy:. Though the timing/ordering seems a bit out of whack compared to the webstite.
     
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    Note that this is only the case for the hosted version, where you are literally voluntarily sending everything you type to a server in China yourself; if you download a model and run it locally, DeepSeek and/or the CCP get bupkiss.
     
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  20. MadGinga

    MadGinga oooh whats this do?

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    Are we sure that nothing gets sent back when run locally?
     

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